Naa .22 lr

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I bought my wife a cute little folding 22 mini revolver; I have CCI Stingers in it and bought a box of Aguelria (whatever) that travels at 1750 fps. Would she be better off with the hot ammo or regular CCI Mini Mags? My thoughts are the muzzle fire from the hot rounds at night would freak out most perps and a round in the throat and chest might do the job...
 
I have CCI Stingers in it and bought a box of Aguelria (whatever) that travels at 1750 fps.
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That velocity, no doubt, is from a rifle barrel. You'll be in the 700 fps range in the NAA if that. I have a NAA in a holster-grip that I carry for back up and utility in my weak side pocket. I load it with what shoots straight and to POA which took a while to find because this little gun shoots different with whatever variety you feed it. I shoot Federal Lightening from the Walmart bulk pack, can shoot the head of a snake at 10 feet, rabbits at 15 yards, pretty accurate. It is a last ditch almost contact weapon, but it can be useful even out to 15 yards if your primary goes down for some reason. It is NOT a gun I cherish carrying as a primary by any means and when I'm in an area that scares me, I often relegate the little NAA to third gun status, but it's so easy to carry, it's always there. And, it's VERY reliable.
 
I would like to see the ballistics on the aguilla supermaximumhighvelocity rounds out of a short barrel. I am not convinced that you loose over half the velocity.
 
Those stats are out if the smallest barrel they have... But I concede; that is much more loss than I expected.

Personally if I were going to carry one I think I would have the black widow w/ the 4" barrel, and the new laserlite sight. That would be a sweet setup. I'm sure it would fit comfortably in a front pocket as well:)
 
I'm still wanting a mini master. I will get one. I like my 1 5/8" mini, but it'd be a whole lot easier to hit with a mini master and I want a .22 mag barrel with it. Out of a 4" barrel, .22 mag kicks up some steam, well, right in there with .32ACP anyway, which ain't sayin' much I realize, but it will be a useful weapon for me for some situations and might just be accurate enough to be called a "kit gun". The rinky dink sights and short sight radius sort of limit the little guns even with a good grip on 'em.
 
Most importantly shot what is reliable and accurate. However if I were to carry .22LR for self-defense I would not trust hollowpoints to penetrate enough. I would load 40 grain solids of cci ilk.
 
I bought my wife a cute little folding 22 mini revolver; I have CCI Stingers in it and bought a box of Aguelria (whatever) that travels at 1750 fps.
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I would choose a heavier bullet in that gun. 40g and above. I wouldn't really bother with super hot loadings either. Ultra high velocity loads are a waste in the mini's.
 
Hollowpoints really don't matter. Just shoot what's accurate. Trust me, no hollowpoint will expand at 700 fps. :rolleyes: And, on the brassfetcher site, they show a whole 3" of penetration from the 1 1/8" gun. It's sort of ridiculous to discuss ammo "effectiveness" with a mini since no ammo is "effective" unless placed on the face or in the ear. Just use what you can hit with. Don't worry about hollowpoints, velocity, other such useless trivia. We're not talking .44 magnums here.
 
And, on the brassfetcher site, they show a whole 3" of penetration from the 1 1/8" gun.
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Some loads did a little better... 60g SSS pulled over 8" if you count the bullet arresting box.

But you are right, from a ballistic point of view, my pellet gun hits harder than one of these.

I still wouldn't want to get shot by a mini.
 
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Stingers (22LR) out of the minimaster are traveling at over 1,000fps. A head shot would undoubtedly be devastating.

So many people discount 22LR/22WMR as being only effective for itsy bitsy game, but in my opinion these assumptions are based on a lack of experience. Part of the tradgedy that comes along with this line of thinking is that people may not be aware of how dangerous a 22LR is.

I have seen numerous whitetail taken with cheap 22 ammo.... even Thunderbolts, which to me are good for nothing but plinking and wasting time. I would also like to specify that Thunderbolts will penetrate deer skull in the 50 - 80 yard range. If the bullet arches at long range the deer still die on the spot because the bullet hits the neck. Would body shots be so devastating? Probably not.

What this really tells me is that I do not want to be hit by a .22 cal projectile (even moving slow 700-800fps) at close range, because crappy ammo shot out of a rifle at longe range kills large game animals. I have never seen a "wounded" deer head/neck shot by .22 cal.

Part of what makes a .22 deadly actually is the small size of the projectile. Slower speed may lead to the misconception that the bullet can't penetrate effectively, but you have to remember that the force (although minimal compared most centerfire pistol ammo) is concentrated and delivered to a smaller area.

None of this anecdotal evidence makes an NAA revolver a good defensive weapon, but my point is that even 22LR is deadly and lethal when applied the correct way. Not that it matters to anyone what my opinion is, but within 25 yds I would bet large sums money that head/neck shots to a human being would be lethal more often than not using high performance 22LR ammunition. Aguilla supermaximumhighvelocity's, and CCI Stingers come to mind as readily available ammo that would do the trick for 2 legged critters.
 
Stingers (22LR) out of the minimaster are traveling at over 1,000fps. A head shot would undoubtedly be devastating.

So many people discount 22LR/22WMR as being only effective for itsy bitsy game, but in my opinion these assumptions are based on a lack of experience. Part of the tradgedy that comes along with this line of thinking is that people may not be aware of how dangerous a 22LR is.

I have seen numerous whitetail taken with cheap 22 ammo.... even Thunderbolts, which to me are good for nothing but plinking and wasting time. I would also like to specify that Thunderbolts will penetrate deer skull in the 50 - 80 yard range. If the bullet arches at long range the deer still die on the spot because the bullet hits the neck. Would body shots be so devastating? Probably not.

What this really tells me is that I do not want to be hit by a .22 cal projectile (even moving slow 700-800fps) at close range, because crappy ammo shot out of a rifle at longe range kills large game animals. I have never seen a "wounded" deer head/neck shot by .22 cal.

Part of what makes a .22 deadly actually is the small size of the projectile. Slower speed may lead to the misconception that the bullet can't penetrate effectively, but you have to remember that the force (although minimal compared most centerfire pistol ammo) is concentrated and delivered to a smaller area.

None of this anecdotal evidence makes an NAA revolver a good defensive weapon, but my point is that even 22LR is deadly and lethal when applied the correct way. Not that it matters to anyone what my opinion is, but within 25 yds I would bet large sums money that head/neck shots to a human being would be lethal more often than not.
 
Per the NAA site, Remington Yellow Jackets appear to be the hardest hitting out of the NAA 22LR with the 1 1/8" barrel. That's what I keep in mine. The good thing about NAA mini's is that the can always be carried on the person and it beats bare hands.
 
None of this anecdotal evidence makes an NAA revolver a good defensive weapon, but my point is that even 22LR is deadly and lethal when applied the correct way.
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And that's exactly my point. FORGET about bullet and load performance. Go for what's accurate. Remington yellowjacket in the belly ain't going to work as well as .22 SHORT in the eye socket. In my gun, and they're all different, I get quite good accuracy (considering) and POA bullet placement with Federal Lightening. I care not how much jello it penetrates. I care not if it expands. It HITS what I'm shooting at, that's 99 percent of the equation with these little guns. If you can't hit a cantaloupe at 10 feet with the load, don't use it, I don't care if it'll penetrate a 12 foot bridge board end to end.
 
Yes, yes it does. :) (no laser on mine)

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Those stats are out if the smallest barrel they have... But I concede; that is much more loss than I expected.

Personally if I were going to carry one I think I would have the black widow w/ the 4" barrel, and the new laserlite sight. That would be a sweet setup. I'm sure it would fit comfortably in a front pocket as well:)
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dont use the stingers they are made with slow burning powder to max out speed in a long barrel check the naa web for stats. mine is stocked with CCI velositors best of my phone book tests.
 
Just for info, I clocked CCI Velocitors from my 5" model 63. 1,060 fps, Stingers were all over the place, from 1,050 to 1,330 fps
 
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I go with the .22-SSS from Aguila 60 grain. They tend to keyhole somtimes but still hit at POA.
 
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