Women to be drafted?

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I don't see the big fuss, women's rights groups are constantly saying how they want to be "equal." I wonder what NOW's stance on this is. Besides, women drafted into support positions free up men for combat (as long as they don't get lost).
 
Emphasis mine.

I can see all kinds of problems in the ranks if they were to start drafting educated people in their 30's. They'll have people who 1) don't want to be there; 2) can think for themselves; and 3) will cause morale problems with everyone else.

Nice. I'll be sure to let all my buddies know that they can't think for themselves. Maybe when I turn 35 and get edumacated, I'll tell you what I think. :rolleyes:
 
IIRC our worldwide committments dictate a need almost double the size of our standing military. In other words we have cut back far beyond our stated needs. Iraq is merely the latest example of over extending our armed services.

We need to take one or a combination of two possible actions:
1>cut back on military deployments
2>increase the size of the military.

What we do not need to do is:
3>do deployments on the cheap

Which is what is going on right now. A call for a renewal of the draft is a political move made during the silly season. The draft ain't gona happen. What will happen if option one or two isn't implemented is the reserves will dry up. It is one thing to commit to the reserves for periodic deployments. It is another issue altogether to stay deployed year on end, during which time the mortgage is not being paid and the job disappears. It is happening right now and sooner or later it will become an issue. Rummy is doing this war on the cheap and in a number of cases the headcount in Iraq is being financially subsidized by missed mortgage payments.

Why Bush has not asked for increased authorizations for headcount is beyond me.
 
Sean- exactly what makes you so sure it won't be re-instated?

Having a brain?

The fact that the all-volunteer military was TWICE as large as it is now without resorting to the draft should also be a hint. :rolleyes:
 
The fact that the all-volunteer military was TWICE as large as it is now without resorting to the draft should also be a hint.

..and...we had the same deployment concerns at the time?


I agree that draft reinstatement would be highly unlikely anytime soon given the current deployment needs/force levels. Throw in a terrorist attack based elsewhere, or the North Korean situation going from a simmer to an all out boil...I think all bets are off.
 
they did this same exact thing about 3-4 months before the war. Some senator ran a draft initiative through with stuff about drafting women and men up till 35 with no exemption for college or anything. Ofcourse it went nowhere but it scares the crap out of people. And the more they make people think Bush lies everytime he speaks when he says "there won't be a draft" people take that as validation that there will be... sad times
 
Hmmm . . . interesting choice of words.

Your choice of words was rather interesting as well.

I can see all kinds of problems in the ranks if they were to start drafting educated people in their 30's. They'll have people who 1) don't want to be there; 2) can think for themselves; and 3) will cause morale problems with everyone else.

I doubt you meant it that way but it seems like you are saying the military is full of morons and/or robots.
 
The fact that the all-volunteer military was TWICE as large as it is now without resorting to the draft should also be a hint.

..and...we had the same deployment concerns at the time?

We don't have a need for the draft right now. We currently have enough people in the armed services, and they aren't having recruiting problems.

These reporters throw out this B. S. like the draft is imminent. However, it's obvious that it's not. What would be the point having a plan to reinstate the draft, when we don't have the equipment to arm all those additional soldiers. There's no money in the budget to pay all those soldiers.

Getting prepared to expand the military by a huge amount involves drasticly ramping up production of weapons, body armor, troop carriers, and supplies. It involves preparing bases to act as training facilities for all the new troops. It involves expanding living quarters or at least making existing quarters ready on bases to house all the new draftees.

That isn't hapening.

The only thing there is any evidence of is that the Selective Service is continueing to do their ongoing job of being prepared if the draft ever becomes necessisary again. They aren't staffing up, however they are filling positions that are becomming vacant.

Their suggestion to make changes to allow for drafting of women, and somewhat older people makes sense from their perspective. The military has changed. They are looking for different skill sets than they once were. They place a higher value on computer and technical skills than they once did. They want to expand the pool of people they can draft so they can get the skill sets they need if they ever have to reinstate the draft. That's their job, to be prepared.

I agree that draft reinstatement would be highly unlikely anytime soon given the current deployment needs/force levels. Throw in a terrorist attack based elsewhere, or the North Korean situation going from a simmer to an all out boil...I think all bets are off.

How is this a different situation now than it has been for many years? We do have more forces committed than normal, so it could possibly take a smaller war breaking out to cause the need for the draft, than if we didn't have those soldiers committed. However, a full scale war with Korea or China or some other country has always been a reason that the draft might have to be reinstated.

The reporters bringing it up now don't have evidence that there are any plans to reinstate the draft. They're just using FUD to try and scare people.
 
New draft
With women

Bad idea!


On the other hand if they would start drafting some of us soon to be senior citizens they would be onto something.

Dump us someplace with a SAW, lots of ammo and our generally bad attitude and watch the fun.

And...we won't run...we can't.

S-
 
The War Gamers in the Pentagon get paid to plan invasions or other military actions against countries where the liklihood is a gazillion to one against such actions.

Same for the Selective Service folks. They take a look at those skills needed, and the numbers thought to be needed, and "War Game" a worst-case situation.

Stipulate that for some reason we have a legitimate need for a WW II equivalent military force. (I can't really see one, but I'm not a planner, either.) It would make sense to know who could be useful at what, if some sort of halfway-smart increase is needed. Why draft a farmer if what you need is a computer nerd? And, people aged 30+ are mosre likely to have developed skills that could be high-tech useful, compared to line infantry.

In WW II, the draft was more of a control of how many per week or per month were taken for Basic Training, than to force conscription. There were plenty of volunteers; more at a time, often, than could be dealt with by the system.

Were we to have a real need for large numbers, we'd be more likely, now, to take people in high-tech than we would "cannon fodder" types. I see it as drafting skills, not people.

So I neither advocate a Draft, nor do I believe it will happen.

Art
 
The War Gamers in the Pentagon get paid to plan invasions or other military actions against countries where the liklihood is a gazillion to one against such actions.

That is something that seems to get lost on the general public. The military makes plans for EVERYTHING, no matter how remote the need for them might be. For instance, the US Army has a contingency plan to invade practically everyone on the map, including our allies. It doesn't mean they INTEND to, but just they have a plan in a folder someplace in the 1:1,000,000,000 chance that we need to invade, say, England.
 
I'd love to see the plan to invade France.

TO&E
200,000 electric razors.
150,000 pressure washers.
12,000 trucks equipped with loudspeakers.
35 C-130s retrofitted with loudspeakers.
1 CD recording of Arnold Schwarzenegger yelling out "Strudel!"

Plan of Attack:
0600 deploy aircraft into low altitude orbit over major French cities.
0715 deploy trucks across countryside
0730 play CD
0745 drive to Paris.
0800 initiate "Operation Bathtime"
 
Daniel...

Trigger pulling and mud rolling isn't governed by sex; only social norms.

That, in and of itself may be true, however, throwing a hand grenade beyond it's own blast radius IS a function of a war fighting person. By far, the vast majority of women are unable to do that. That means that should the female decide to lob a grenade, she will herself still be within the kill zone of said ordinance.... As well as the other people with her.

"Social norms" have very little to do with the ability of a person to grab a 50 from the armory, and run with it through the passageways and ladders and across the deck to mount it and fire it.

Your sense of equality as admirable. Unfortunately, your ability to know that most women are totally unable to drag a wounded companinon through the mud to safety is not very well thought out.

But since the whole thing is an exercise in "fairness and equality" none of the truisms mean much. :rolleyes:

Ron
 
Gewehr98, at least your rate of fire with posts is approaching that of an A-10's gat. :evil:
 
Gewehr98 (5 dupes, is that a record?)
I mean, heck, if you're gonna make blatant, sexist statements about women not belonging in combat, you may as well tell the pilot of this A-10 that she doesn't belong:
Men and women differ in more areas than just plumbing. If women are just as suited to combat as men, why are there separate standards for women to even enter the military? Also, flying a plane is much different than front line combat.

And I doubt that the American public could deal with a large number of females dying in combat or becoming POWs. Look at the Lynch situation, the main focus was that a woman had been captured. When the men were mentioned it was almost an afterthought. How about the instances of rape and prostitution that exist when women are present? This and more is why women should return to being separated and go back to the "free a man to fight" school of thought.

The subject of changing the draft was only brought up in an attempt to scare the public. People have gotten used to the idea of selective service for men, but their daughters is where most draw the line. This was designed to stir up outrage, nothing more.
 
How about the instances of rape and prostitution that exist when women are present?

Prostitution? That just can't be! :rolleyes:

Oh the stories I could tell! If the public had any idea what went on onboard a certain Naval vessel in the late 90s...

BTW, I support women being eligible for certain roles. The best helicopter pilot I ever saw was a woman...and quite a looker at that. :)
 
Oh the stories I could tell! If the public had any idea what went on onboard a certain Naval vessel in the late 90s...

Probably had nothing to do with why half of them end up going home preggers. :rolleyes: :D

When women are able to successfully engage one on one in the NFL or the NBA, you will get my attention as to their suitability for combat. Until then, the "Women in Combat" joke falls on deaf ears. Equal in combat? They aren't even equal in a GAME, let alone a physical life and death struggle.

I love em all the same, but sometimes reality really, really sucks.

Ron
 
Red Herring Etoufee

Ingredients:

1 stick margarine
1 lb. red herring tails (or shrimp), peeled
1 med. onion, chopped
2 ribs celery, chopped
1/2 bell pepper, chopped
1 tbsp. paprika
1/2 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. black pepper
1 c. chicken broth
1 tbsp. parsley, chopped
1 tbsp. green onion tops, cut with scissors
Cooked rice

Directions:

Do not use black iron pot. Add red herring and cook for 2-3 minutes. Remove red herring with slotted spoon and set aside. Add onion, celery, bell pepper and seasonings. Saute for 10 minutes. Return red herring tails to pan and add chicken broth. Stir and cook slowly, covered, for about 40 minutes. Serve on hot rice and sprinkle with parsley and green onion tops. Serves 4. Freezes well.

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