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National Buy Ammo Day with a twist

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PromptCritical, Oct 14, 2005.

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  1. PromptCritical

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    Some of you may have heard of this. Details at National Buy Ammo Day. But now there's a twist:

    There's something brewing over at AR15.com.

    Original thread here

    The plan is to take advantage of

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    The twist here is to go to your nearest WalMart and buy them completely out of a single caliber of Winchester White Box value packs. It shouldn't be that hard, since they usually only carry a few of them from what I've heard.

    There's really no coordination here, but they think it would be better to plan it down to the hour to see if they can give the WalMart stocking systems some grief. So just check their thread for updates.

    Walmart has a store locater HERE.

    Update: Date: Nov 19 Time: 15:30 Central Standard time.
    Plan accordingly.
     
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  2. Rob1035

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    sounds like fun:cool:
     
  3. Lupinus

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    And we are doing this spacificly to wal-mart and winchester white box....why exactly???
     
  4. PromptCritical

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    Oh, there was this thread where a gun dealer went to WalMArt to buy a bunch of WWB because it cost him less than it did to order it because he didn't have to pay shipping. He ended up cleaning them out of several calibers. Someone else thought it would be amusing if everyone did it on the same day. Sort of a mass consiousness thing.
     
  5. dakotasin

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    i refuse to buy factory garbage. maybe to make up for it i'll run down to the gunshop and buy a few more pounds of powder...
     
  6. Creeping Incrementalism

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    By the way, Wal-Mart has this system called "Retail Link" where vendors can get hourly updates of sales via the WWW. So if anyone knows someone at Winchester with access to it and passes the info along, it might be possible to find out how well this goes.
     
  7. Rob1035

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    Like I said on GT and ARF, its a win win situation, we get more ammo, and maybe something else happens?
     
  8. twency

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    Walmart is famous for its detailed tracking of customer purchase trends. I recall reading in a Wall Street Journal article within the past year or so how they prepared stores in anticipation of approaching hurricanes. Their research revealed that among the top products people stocked up on in advance were Pop-Tarts (specifically strawberry, IIRC) and beer. They shipped extra-large quantities of those items to stores in areas threatened by hurricanes, and sold out all that they could ship. That's just the tip of the iceburg of their market research.

    You can bet that if there was a simultaneous spike in ammo sales on one particular day across the country, they would notice. In fact, if it was determined to be an annual trend, it's probably safe to assume they would stock extra in anticipation of a similar event on the following years.

    Just my $.02.

    -twency
     
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  9. Lupinus

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    To bad im broke lol

    And lack a handgun right now I can really fire alot.
     
  10. spooney

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    I live in Southern Oklahoma and work at a Wal-Mart the week before Hurricane Rita hit we got the largest shipment of gas cans I had ever seen into our store, this was when they didn't really know if it was going to be a strong one or not mind you. They were all marked Disaster ASAP.
     
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    Oh man, there's no way I could buy up all of one caliber at the WalMart near me. Last time I checked they had about 20 boxes of 9mm...
     
  12. DelayedReaction

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    Heck, I'm in. That's a Sunday, so I'll buy out all the .45ACP in Bowie, MD that I can get.

    Hey, by then I'll either have a new XD-9 or a S&W 686! Two calibers to buy out!
     
  13. Amadeus

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    And we would want to give money to Walmart when we should be supporting our locally run gunshops because.....?

    Sorry. Not doing it.

    I'll buy ammo from the store where the staff is friendly, has some basic firearms knowledge, and understands the concept of customer service. These guys: http://www.fowler-stockade.com/
     
  14. DelayedReaction

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    I support my local gun store by being a member there, buying targets there, and purchasing new handguns whenever I can afford to. I wouldn't be able to do those things if I also bought ammo at those stores, cuz WWB is half the price of what the gunstore sells.
     
  15. IAJack

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    Wal-Mart pulled a backdoor spyware type move on thir vendors. They not only have the software to track customer trends they use it to keep track of their vendors.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/pricing.html

    In the 1960s and '70s, Wal-Mart took its first big bet by building its own infrastructure and distribution network. Before Wal-Mart decided to take charge of its own distribution, retailers traditionally depended on wholesalers, who procured, warehoused and distributed manufactured products. But Walton found that none of the wholesale distributors at the time were interested in giving adequate service to a geographically remote discount retailer. Wholesalers would be shut out of Wal-Mart's business model.

    Next, to take on powerful brand-name suppliers, Walton would make a massive bet in information technology. By the early '80s, Wal-Mart was one of the earliest to take advantage of the bar code to increase efficiency at the checkout counter. The aim now was to find a way for technology to help Wal-Mart come up with the right mix of goods for its individual stores, thereby increasing efficiency and lowering the company's inventory costs. The idea was to transmit point-of-sale information in real time to manufacturers. The information then could be used to examine consumer taste trends, gauge demand and eliminate the need for warehousing -- manufacturers would deliver "just in time."

    And so, the cornerstone of Wal-Mart's increased efficiency was its trend-forecasting software, which tracked consumer behavior. In 1985, Walton and his chief lieutenant, David Glass, began developing a program called Retail Link. The software, and the hardware that went along with it, took years to perfect, eventually costing $4 billion. This revolutionary system delivered sophisticated information on consumer behavior, drawn from the data imbedded in the barcodes that passed through checkout counters.

    Wal-Mart shared this revolutionary software with suppliers at no cost, in order to help them meet the retailer's needs more efficiently. In the early years, many Wal-Mart suppliers were American firms with factories in the U.S., and so sharing the Retail Link system dovetailed with Sam Walton's "Buy American" campaign, which focused on using domestic manufacturers. But Walton also insisted on ruthless efficiency. As he wrote in a letter to his suppliers in 1985, he was committed to buying U.S. goods whenever possible, but they would have to upgrade their operations and improve productivity to "fill our requirements."

    At the heart Wal-Mart's offer to share its software program was a Faustian bargain for suppliers: Use our Retail Link program, play by our new rules and we will be your gateway to sales beyond your wildest dreams. Or refuse, and be shut out of America's dominant retail chain. In fact, by sharing Retail Link, Wal-Mart gained command over its suppliers and effectively penetrated their executive decision-making. It drew them into what Sam Walton liked to call a partnership: Wal-Mart was plugged into the supplier and the supplier was plugged into Wal-Mart.

    But Wal-Mart had the upper hand: By gaining access to its supplier's books, the company was in a position to virtually dictate the terms of its contracts on price, volume, delivery schedule, packaging, and quality. And it allowed the giant retailer to set the profit margin each supplier would get. It turned the supplier-retailer relationship upside-down.

    If vendors wanted their products on Wal-Mart's shelves, they had to implement Wal-Mart's "customized business plans." Each year, the big retailer handed its suppliers detailed "strategic business planning packets." Wal-Mart would grade them on weekly, quarterly and annual report cards. And when it came to discussions of price, there was no real negotiation, even for household brands.

    "It was a cultural change between retailers and manufacturers," said Bobby Martin Jr., the Wal-Mart executive who developed and managed the Retail Link software system. "Part of process people went through was fear that Wal-Mart would know their business better and run their business. Some of them were not even as computer literate or capable as Wal-Mart… But the impetus behind it is the low cost commitment. This is divine discontent with cost."

    Thus, Wal-Mart used its buying power and its information about consumer buying habits to force vendors into squeezing their costs and keeping their profit margins low. Over time, some suppliers -- especially middle-sized and smaller firms -- were bankrupted; and major firms moved production overseas, and increasingly to China.
     
  16. Combat-wombat

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    Wal-Mart is too big, they're a giant corporation that screws small business up the ear, and I like to buy products at stores that specialize in the particular type of merchandise... I like to buy food from a grocery market, cameras and film from a photography store, camping gear from an outdoors/outfitting business, and guns and ammunition from a gun shop.

    There's just something I hate about Wal-Mart... it's the "feel" of being inside one... absolutely giant (and I havent even been in one of those "Supercenters"), crappy products, and... I'm not sure, I just don't like it.
     
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    Shop at WALMART - not a chance.
     
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    Nov 19th is deer season here in Illinois so I will be out in the woods all day chasing bambi.:D
     
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    How is buying all of their inventory of a particular item going to cause Wal*Mart's stocking system grief? If they are out of stock, they are out of stock.
     
  20. Creeping Incrementalism

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    IAJack, I work for a corporation that sells a lot of product to Wal-Mart. Our product is 100% American produced, we set the price, Wal-Mart gets no special discounts, and they are very efficient to work with.

    Retail Link is great and I don't see how it could be used to "see our books" in order to tell us to set our price. All it is, is a web site that allows us to get data on our sales (and other misc. info, such as store info) from them. In other words, having first-hand experience with Retail Link, I can tell you that the person who wrote the article doesn't have the faintest idea what he's talking about in regards to that system. I know Wal-Mart sometimes puts pressure on vendors to cut costs, and uses Retail Link to gather data on sales, but that's all they can do with it--track sales. It isn’t spy ware and they don’t have access to our internal accounting system.

    Furthermore, I don't understand why people have such animosity towards Wal-Mart. Retail is just a method or "channel" for getting goods from manufacturer to consumer. And Wal-Mart can do it far more efficiently than a mom-and-pop. It's about business, not being buddies, and time and money you waste at mom-and-pops is time you could be spending with your family or shooting, and money you could be spending on health care for your family or donating to gun-rights organizations.

    Sometimes mom-and-pops are better--I buy my guns at a mom-and-pop, and the owner is cool & does quickie gunsmithing for free--but I buy my ammo from Wal-Mart (or Cheaper Than Dirt). That's the way capitalism works, everyone does what they do best, and society is richer as a result.
     
  21. Burt Blade

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    Bravo sir! Well said!

    Some folks are on a tight budget, and Wal-mart lets them stretch their dollars. Some folks have enough money to shop for reasons other than price. It is a good thing this is a free country, so everyone can shop where they want.

    Things change. Businesses change. The light bulb was hard on the oil-lamp and candle makers. The automobile makers pretty well have put the buggy makers into the niche market category.

    And now everyone has to deal with direct internet sales. Things change.
     
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    Creep nails it.

    Also, the Left hates Walmart, so I always make sure to shop there.

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    Fowlers sucks. Unless you want to support overcharging, racist, hick, anti-black gun people. It's the only gun place I wish would just go out of business. I say boycott Fowlers all together. :cuss:

    sorry, after a couple visits there, I feel their place to be of no worth.

    I'll go to Turners or Grants.
     
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    Please do not turn this thread into yet another Wal-Mart flame war.
     
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    You've all read about how their supply chain software matches up patterns, like the beer & strawberry poptarts from the last storms....

    If we could add a small item to make an odd pattern of this.... Maybe WWB and a box of poptarts? WWB and a box of store-brand q-tips? My favorite was every Friday buying CCI Velocitor and Guiness on the same receipt, but not everyone lives where they can do OTC beer in regular stores. :-(

    What ideas can you come up with? It should be something simple, cheap, and completely non-gun related. WWB and toilet paper? WWB and a tube of cookie dough? A pack of zip ties? A quart of oil?
     
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