National Gun Rules for National Parks

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The Miami Herald knows best.Is there a more anti-gun,anti freedom newspaper in the whole U.S. of A?

Editorial January 15,2008
OUR OPINION: SENATE MOVE TO CHANGE MODEST LIMITS IS PURELY POLITICAL

Welcome to the American national park system where the camper in the next space over may be packing heat. What a peaceful thought as you try to snooze under the stars.

Yet, there's a letter circulating in the U.S. Senate that has attracted 47 signatures including that of Florida Republican Mel Martinez, aimed at easing federal regulations on the carrying of firearms in national parks.

Consistent policy

Written by Idaho Republican Mike Crapo, the letter is directed to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne and seems reasonable on its face. It would require the park system to recognize state firearms laws in national parks. This would make department policy consistent because state firearms laws apply on other Interior lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service.

The proposal doesn't turn the national parks into a Wild West of gun-toting hikers, but it isn't necessary. Currently, the park system permits the presence of guns for authorized hunting and target shooting and allows park-goers to carry guns in car trunks or other areas of vehicles that aren't readily accessible. But holders of state gun permits aren't permitted to openly carry accessible weapons.

• First off, these are national parks with visitors from states throughout the nation with a variety of weapons laws. The interests of consistency should lie with all visitors at all national parks. It should be little more than a minor annoyance for, say, residents of states bordering Yellowstone to stow their rifles when driving through the park.

• Second, there simply is no good reason to have a weapon handy while visiting a park. The numbers of attacks by wild animals on park visitors complying with park rules and the dictates of common sense do not justify the danger to others of, say, city folk firing at strange noises in the night, which may be someone else at the campsite or a bear more interested in potato chips that weren't properly stowed than in human morsels in the tent.

• Third, national parks aren't hotbeds of crime, but they do suffer from an overtaxed ranger service that doesn't need more law-enforcement responsibilities. Throw in the accessibility of guns -- and the perception that it's OK to have guns in the parks -- with the mindlessness some display when on vacation, and the mix isn't pretty. Nor should rangers be faced with yet more complications for controlling illegal hunting and poaching in parks.

The current regulations have been in effect for more than two decades. Changing them doesn't solve a pressing problem in the parks; rather it serves only to make a political statement at the expense of the safety of people and wildlife they come to see.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/story/379590.html
 
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Welcome to the American national park system where the camper in the next space over may be packing heat. What a peaceful thought as you try to snooze under the stars.

In contrast to where, Miami?

I'd rather take my chances with armed campers in the middle of the night than most places in Miami :)
 
In contrast to where, Miami?

I'd rather take my chances with armed campers in the middle of the night than most places in Miami

Now really TR,95 percent of Miami is as safe or safer than Ft.Worth.
I think.Right now its almost 10 PM EST, and I haven't heard any gunfire yet.
 
Now really TR,95 percent of Miami is as safe or safer than Ft.Worth.

You are probably right, didn't mean to offend the Floridians :)

But there's no BIG A** BEARS trying to get me here in Ft Worth or Miami. :)


We should send these reporters out into a National Park for a week unarmed, in bear country, with some BBQ sauce on them and see what they think of guns in National Parks then......
 
I have always thought the restrictions within National Parks was unreasonable. Would Teddy Roosevelt have visited without a firearm? National Parks really should be like everywhere else within the state as far as firearms are considered.
I am so much more concerned with the two legged predators.
Oh and "Packing heat"...jeez
 
I live in one of those states that is bordering Yellowstone and sometimes in the winter the only way to get from here to there is through the northern or eastern border of Yellowstone. Where extactly are we suppose to put our hunting rifles in a pickup without a topper that is not accessible? The entrance gates in some cases are several miles inside of the park border.

I would rather take my changes with a grizzly than in Miami....... that was a joke for those of you in Miami.
 
Well the idiot who wrote the article is falling prey to that myth that banning guns eliminates the presence of guns. In fact banning guns means that those who ignore the law (you know, criminals) are the ones with guns.

You don't even want to know how many people I've seen illegally possessing firearms in Shenandoah National Park. It's part of the reason I only go to George Washington National Forest these days (only 20 more miles West and a hell of a lot safer!)

Interesting thing to note, I've noted (poorly) concealed carry in GWNF several times so obviously people are doing it. Yet GWNF, only 20 miles to the West of SNP, doesn't have "blood running in the trails".
 
The Sun-Sentinel !!

A great candidate!And only thirty miles away!
We are really shafted(since this is a family website)here in South Florida.
 
Second, there simply is no good reason to have a weapon handy while visiting a park.

That right there is the crux of the piece. If you don't see a good reason to have a weapon handy in the park, then you probably don't see a good reason to have a weapon handy anywhere. And obviously, if you don't see a good reason, that immediately invalidates any other possible good reason anyone else may have.

Gah, preaching to the choir, I know....
 
This, along with an overwhelming dislike of crowds,
is the reason that I no longer visit national parks.

National forests (where one can camp anywhere primitively)
and BLM lands (unknown to those in the east) allow carry
(and are mostly devoid of crowds).

Here's an example of BLM land.

Please watch your step.

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I visit national parks and being able to carry seems perfectly reasonable to me. It is not like these people are going to be out hunting with their carry pieces. Oh... the McCoys camping over in the next campsite may be next to the Hatfields. If that was the case, they would already be armed regardless of the laws.
 
Winchester73, I think I should bring you up to speed.

First and foremost, for your own survival you should immediately leave Miami. Gather your belongings and your loved ones and move north, prefereably above Naples.

You see there are some big changes coming down the pike with the water discharge from Lake Occochobee. It's no longer going to be diverted down the Caloosahatchee River into Ft. Myers. It's going to be diverted south into Miami.

While this plan is being disguised as an attempt to stop red tide, it's actual purpose is to give Miami the enema it's needed for a long time. Once the cleansing of Miami is complete it will be either converted into a wildlife refuge, or cracked off from Florida and sunk off the coast as artificial reef.
 
Aw,XD please stop being so subtle and tell us how you really feel about the "Magic City"!

I just don't want to see a good gun owning citizen caught up in the mess when this happens.

Come a little north with the rest of us where it's safe.

Just don't bring Horatio Caine with you. We'd prefer he stayed.
 
Second, there simply is no good reason to have a weapon handy while visiting a park.
Tell that to the three individuals (that I can think of off the top of my head) murdered in the southeast in parks over the past couple months.
 
Searches in Natl Parks

I've read a lot about this subject and have never seen any references to the legalities of searches of your person or vehicle by park rangers. Are they like any other law enforcement agent where probable cause (ie printing from your CCW, or having a kabar or machete on your belt) or a warrant is required or can they just go ahead and do it since you are in a 'national' park system? Has any one ever been frisked by a ranger? Of course this is practically a hypothetical question since in most National parks the chances of you running into a bear or serial killer are higher than running into a park ranger on all but the most populated tourist trails.
 
Your odds of being searched by a Park Ranger are nil if you are acting like any normal tourist and are properly concealed.
It's just not going to happen.I've been in dozens of NP's and the Rangers,including the armed patrol, are simply not focused on this.
 
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