National Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced

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at this point, i believe this is really better left to the individule states. with the anti-gun politicians in washington dc right now, there is no way this would ever make it into law!
 
Agreed that the Commerce Clause had a sixty-year period of broad expansion, finding some limit in the mid 1990's (Lopez?). Limits will continue to be delineated.

I also believe insisting that an individual state recognize the license of a driver from another state, the purpose of which was expediency, may be found distinct from possession of a firearm pursuant to concealed carry legislation, the history of which long has been determined by the individual state legislatures, both at length and with immense variation in approach; The SCOTUS should be wary of expanding Second Amendment 'fundamental rights' in this context.

Heller revealed more than that an individual, within a federal territory, has the right to be free from a federal prohibition (D.C.) against possessing a handgun in the home, for purposes of personal defense, unconnected with service in the military.

Importantly, they recognize the authority of both the state and local legislatures. They wouldn't touch NYC (NY v. Miln?), way back when, and they're unlikely to touch Chicago (I mean Illinois) and Wisconsin, now, at least regarding CCW; It truly would be an absurd piece of theatre to witness a Chi-town backed administration advancing this agenda.

I've faith there would be well over 40 states gearing up for this one. :)
 
No-thanks. We should let the states handle carry issues. Once the feds get their greasy fingers in the issue, they'll muck it up.
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I totally agree. Anybody here familiar with the 10th Amendment? This issue is a state issue.
 
I prefer to have Oregon State Legislators decide my carry rights instead of our current US Congress.
 
So what? That's nice. We should all sacrifice our rights for yours?

You are not "stuck" in Ill. Mn is currently accepting refugees from your state.
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Not stuck? I guess your state is giving away jobs right now? Free homes? get a clue.

And yeah, to be honest, as long as it doesnt prevent someone else from CCW I dont care if it affects other states, if it gives me back my rights guaranteed by the constitution. Read the bill, it wont take anything away from you, it would add to our rights though. Not that it would ever happen.
 
The Federal Government needs to stay out of this issue! Once they get involved, even in a limited fashion, they will continue to add stuff which will limit our rights in the long run. The Feds mess up everything they touch and when you have gun haters in the Presidency and the Legislature, then you really do not want them involved.

This is a State issue and hopefully we will keep it that way!
 
The only way we can get Congress to learn their place is for the State legislatures to stand up against them but that is not likely seeing how most governors are lining up to kiss arse to get some of that Federal welfare... I mean bailout.

Secession is not against the law, it is a right of the State and part of being a sovereign entity. The State who feels the Union is not working in their best interest can bring it up and ask for redress in a Constitutional Convention as well. However, most politicians have no idea what the law is anyway and just want to sit there to suck on the public teat for as long as they can.
 
I guess the folks not supporting this bill had better demand that New York State, Massachusetts, and others be able to arrest people transporting handguns across those states to another jurisdiction.
 
You're telling me that you folks would throw away the chance to do a cross-country road trim from NYC to LA, where you could CCW the whole time? With this reciprocity, you could visit every major city in the US and bring your handguns with you.
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Yes, I would throw away that chance. I do not think we want or need the federal government involved in the issue. I can think of very few examples of when the federal government actually improved anything.

Even if you got nationwide CCW, I assure you that you would not have the freedom to carry concealed everywhere. The federal government would be unlikely to allow you to carry in the Metropolitan Museum, or the Smithsonian for example. Do you really want to leave a loaded gun in your NYC hotel room while you go to the museum? There will be so many privately operated places that could ban CCW, that it would be pointless in large liberal metropolitan areas.

I guess the folks not supporting this bill had better demand that New York State, Massachusetts, and others be able to arrest people transporting handguns across those states to another jurisdiction.
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There is already a peaceable journey law that allow me to carry a gun across NY state on my way elsewhere. It is unrelated to CCW issues.

Not stuck? I guess your state is giving away jobs right now? Free homes? get a clue.
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Come on, you are seriously blaming this on the bad economy? What about 2 years ago? What was your excuse then?

you'd think you grew up all your lives with CCW, which, until Texas and Florida made a push in the late 1980s/early 1990s, was basically a no-go in most of the South and "Free America".
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I don't know how old you are, but I suspect most of us on this forum have been able to CCW our whole adult lives in most southern states, at least most under the age of about41 have been.
 
Push to repeal the unconstitutional law on the federal level, and push Congress to exercise its power in the Fourteenth Amendment to force the several states with unconstitutional laws to repeal theirs.

You'll be much better off, and it'll be constitutional.

Woody

Our government was designed by our Founding Fathers to fit within the framework of our rights and not vise versa. Any other "interpretation" of the Constitution is either through ignorance or is deliberately subversive. B.E. Wood
 
No Fed Law

The last thing we need is the feds getting into firearm carry laws even more. The LEOSA itself isn't that clean cut...I can only imagine how bad it would be with the feds writing more carry laws. The feds already over ride the states enough as it is or have in the past...from forcing all states to raise drinking ages to 21 that had it at say 18 or 19....to the goofy 55/65 MPH speed limit. They mess up more than they fix.

If Illinois doesn't want to legalize carry in some fashion....so be it. The people of Illinois evidently aren't electing the right legislators and governors to get it through....same thing with Wisconsin (though at least you can legally open carry on foot and loaded in a car is a misdemeanor VS a felony charge in Illinois).
 
If Illinois doesn't want to legalize carry in some fashion....so be it. The people of Illinois evidently aren't electing the right legislators and governors to get it through
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I agree. Obviously, there are not enough people in Illinois who care about their gun rights to vote in decent politicians. Illinois citizens have elected some of the most anti-gun politicians we have ever had. Obama and Daly are two examples.

So why do I want to let the federal govt start messing with my carry rights in Georgia? I don't have anything to gain, and everything to lose.
 
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I don't want Obama and his friends in Chicago determining what we can do in TN and GA. Chicago can stay in Chicago...I'm sure it is an interesting place to visit...but politicians often reflect the type of people (majority) who they are elected by. They obviosly believe in controlling people and having the state tell people what to do....not the case with the rest of the country. No state is perfect but i'll take TN or AR any day over living in Illinois and having to risk a FELONY (carrying weapons charges in most states are misdemeanors...this is how extreme Illinois is) for carrying a loaded handgun in public or my car for self defense.
 
Methinks that it is worth mentioning that places like IL, MD, NJ, and CA are de facto single-party states. This means that only one political party controls government and holds effective power to the point where there is no effective opposition.

There are openly-democratic competitive elections and a few token members of an opposition party are tolerated.

Accordingly, it's not just a matter of voter apathy or indifference, it's an issue of playing with a deck heavily stacked in the enemy's favor.
 
You're telling me that you folks would throw away the chance to do a cross-country road trim from NYC to LA, where you could CCW the whole time?
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I wouldn't go to those cities with or without a frearm! I'm undecided about this legislation, "the federal government might start intervening" is a valid concern, but people who have to visit those cities should be able to carry if they have their permit.
 
What would this bill do for those states that have may issue and restricted carry?
 
Push to repeal the unconstitutional law on the federal level, and push Congress to exercise its power in the Fourteenth Amendment to force the several states with unconstitutional laws to repeal theirs.

You'll be much better off, and it'll be constitutional.

Woody
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Woody has it right. We should push for incorporation under the 14th Amendment rather than a "National Carry Law". We don't need new laws, we need to enforce the Constitution. Incorporating the 2nd is the all purpose answer to 2A issues at the Federal level.
 
Name something the federal government stepped in and fixed... *crickets*

Now name something the federal government messed up by getting involved...

1. Mortgage meltdown
2. Banking crisis
3. Oil costs skyrocketing
4. Obama bailouts
5. Waco
6. Ruby Ridge
7. Bay of Pigs
8. NOLA = Katrina

I'm sure I missed a lot on both sides but the messups come more readily to mind for some reason.
 
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Honestly, we don't need the interstate commerce clause horning in on anything else. It's already stretched beyond what it was meant to include
 
Most of the Constitution has been stretched beyond all recognition or just simply ignored that the Founding Fathers would have a hard time recognizing this as the same Republic that they founded.
 
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