Have you ever driven on a Freeway? Well then you yourself are one. After all the nazi's invented the modern non stop highway. Interesting well made guns should not shunned just because of the people who once used them.
Nazi Weapons
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Not to mention all the technology we use in our daily lives that are spin-offs from the Space Program...
Hooray for V-2 technology and Werhner von Braun
Hooray that OUR Nazi rocket scientists were better than the RUSSIANS Nazi rocket scientists
(to borrow from Tom Wolfe)
The attached is a Luger that a friend of mine has (sorry about the glare). Ive never seen it in person and he emailed the pic to me, but we are wondering what that symbol is. Can you identify?
Also attached is a REALLY crappy webcam pic of the CZ27 mentioned earlier. Can anyone give me a clue as to whether it can be cleaned up? (Those splotches are rust, and yes currently that is the best pic I can muster)
Also attached is a REALLY crappy webcam pic of the CZ27 mentioned earlier. Can anyone give me a clue as to whether it can be cleaned up? (Those splotches are rust, and yes currently that is the best pic I can muster)
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I can't really tell anything from the flash... But have a look at this:
http://www.gunsworld.com/p08/p08_proof_us.html
Note there are several pages to go through.
Hopefully you'll be able to find something in there.
http://www.gunsworld.com/p08/p08_proof_us.html
Note there are several pages to go through.
Hopefully you'll be able to find something in there.
I forgot that symbol in my origanal post I was mostly kidding and have no problem with german made and ford that matter nazi era made weapons especially if they are of good quality wich most are.German weapon collector here.
As my name implies, I own a P38, which is of course the main hand gun of WW2 (NOT the P08 - popular as the 'luger') as the p08 was too pricey to produce. Even Mauser stopped producing the p08 as of 1942. My own P38 is all matching AC42 (AC = code for Walther)(42 = date obviously) with a black bakelite grip (usually the bakelite is more of a brown) worth about $900.
The kar98 is the cheapest of all of them, as it was made by the million. The price has gone up in recent years, but they are still $150-250 for a decent, non matching war time German example - you have to be careful of the Yugoslavian m48s - people will try and pawn them off as 'German' but only occasionally do they have German parts.
P08 Lugers run about $800 for a 'land lease' Finnish version (Germany's ww2 ally) and about twice that for a true German example (but be warned as the majority of P08s out there are Kaiserreich examples - IE Imperial Germany, as well as Weimar Republic Germany, mostly dating from 1912-1929)
G43s, and its older brother the G41, are the semi auto rifles. They still fire 8mm Mauser like the K98. G43s have gone way up in price. Expect to pay about 1200-1600 for a solid one. The G41s, of which there are two types, one design by Walther and one by Mauser - vary in price. The more common G41 design, Walther, will run you about 4500-5500. THe Mauser design I have only see once (it is a very, very bad rifle) running about 9000.
Some of the more uncommon weapons, such as the C96 pistol, I rarely see enough to say its value.
Pretty much all of the other weapons are Class III. A friend of mine owns Class III MP40, as well as an MG34. The MP40 of his is now worth about 13 grand, and the MG34 about 20 grand. So out of the question for most people.
As my name implies, I own a P38, which is of course the main hand gun of WW2 (NOT the P08 - popular as the 'luger') as the p08 was too pricey to produce. Even Mauser stopped producing the p08 as of 1942. My own P38 is all matching AC42 (AC = code for Walther)(42 = date obviously) with a black bakelite grip (usually the bakelite is more of a brown) worth about $900.
The kar98 is the cheapest of all of them, as it was made by the million. The price has gone up in recent years, but they are still $150-250 for a decent, non matching war time German example - you have to be careful of the Yugoslavian m48s - people will try and pawn them off as 'German' but only occasionally do they have German parts.
P08 Lugers run about $800 for a 'land lease' Finnish version (Germany's ww2 ally) and about twice that for a true German example (but be warned as the majority of P08s out there are Kaiserreich examples - IE Imperial Germany, as well as Weimar Republic Germany, mostly dating from 1912-1929)
G43s, and its older brother the G41, are the semi auto rifles. They still fire 8mm Mauser like the K98. G43s have gone way up in price. Expect to pay about 1200-1600 for a solid one. The G41s, of which there are two types, one design by Walther and one by Mauser - vary in price. The more common G41 design, Walther, will run you about 4500-5500. THe Mauser design I have only see once (it is a very, very bad rifle) running about 9000.
Some of the more uncommon weapons, such as the C96 pistol, I rarely see enough to say its value.
Pretty much all of the other weapons are Class III. A friend of mine owns Class III MP40, as well as an MG34. The MP40 of his is now worth about 13 grand, and the MG34 about 20 grand. So out of the question for most people.
Karabiner 98k helped create Israel
When the Jews fought to create Israel in 1948, they needed arms and fast-it didn't matter where they came from. There were plenty of Karabiner 98ks all over Europe, and many were bought and sent to Israel.
Of course, the Israelis ended up defacing the Nazi Eagle markings.
I think the Israelis also chambered many of them in 7.62 NATO later on.
So that is an example of fine German engineering helping the Jews rather than being used against them.
When the Jews fought to create Israel in 1948, they needed arms and fast-it didn't matter where they came from. There were plenty of Karabiner 98ks all over Europe, and many were bought and sent to Israel.
Of course, the Israelis ended up defacing the Nazi Eagle markings.
I think the Israelis also chambered many of them in 7.62 NATO later on.
So that is an example of fine German engineering helping the Jews rather than being used against them.
If anyone is interested, here is the pricing info on those new made FG-42's:
Get me one too while you're at it...
In all honesty, I'm sure the guy who is making and selling these is doing it as a labor of love that has cost him thousands of hours and tends of thousands of dollars at little or no profit to himself. I've always admired the FG42 and wanted one, but as it looks I don't see myself getting a $10,000 repro, nor do I see myself getting an original which will cost about $85,000.
Wait, I just heard about the new self-help book on the news called "The Secret", which tells that so long as we imagine ourselves getting something, we eventually will!
*thinks of FG-42*...
Get me one too while you're at it...
In all honesty, I'm sure the guy who is making and selling these is doing it as a labor of love that has cost him thousands of hours and tends of thousands of dollars at little or no profit to himself. I've always admired the FG42 and wanted one, but as it looks I don't see myself getting a $10,000 repro, nor do I see myself getting an original which will cost about $85,000.
Wait, I just heard about the new self-help book on the news called "The Secret", which tells that so long as we imagine ourselves getting something, we eventually will!
*thinks of FG-42*...
I'd love to be able to afford something from this guy!!!!!!
http://brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm
Most of the video footage is from my local range. (The shooter in "Benchrest at 200 meters" is a buddy of mine.)
http://brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm
Most of the video footage is from my local range. (The shooter in "Benchrest at 200 meters" is a buddy of mine.)
You know what, I actually agree with oregonhunter, provided that his statement actually means "I don't help Nazi enthusiasts that I don't know."
I know I'm going to get flamed for this statement, but it's not like you're collecting Barbie dolls. Given that the Nazi/skinhead culture intersects the Nazi militaria collector culture in places, if you're a Nazi militaria collector it is safe to say that it is significantly more likely that you are a Nazi supporter/sympathizer. Yes, I know that the vast majority of Nazi militaria collectors are not Nazi sympathizers, but it is significantly more likely that they are.
Period.
I speak German a little, but I'm not going to use it to help a Nazi militaria collector unless I personally know them. I know that my belief may not be rational, but it's my choice. My aunt's dad lost his sister to Buchenwald.
(dons flamesuit)
I know I'm going to get flamed for this statement, but it's not like you're collecting Barbie dolls. Given that the Nazi/skinhead culture intersects the Nazi militaria collector culture in places, if you're a Nazi militaria collector it is safe to say that it is significantly more likely that you are a Nazi supporter/sympathizer. Yes, I know that the vast majority of Nazi militaria collectors are not Nazi sympathizers, but it is significantly more likely that they are.
Period.
I speak German a little, but I'm not going to use it to help a Nazi militaria collector unless I personally know them. I know that my belief may not be rational, but it's my choice. My aunt's dad lost his sister to Buchenwald.
(dons flamesuit)
I do.
And for shame that none of you mentioned the M95 Mauser!http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Austro-Hungarian_M95__Stutzen__8x56R_Mannlicher_Carbine.html
The ammo is fun too. Get it at southern ohio gun
http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammo.htm
It's 8x56 mauser and NAZI marked.
It's the only bolt action rifle I own and was my very first gun. It is by far one of my favorite gun.
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I have a Stone Mountain commerative coin I've been caring in my wallet as a good luck piece so long you can't tell what it is anymore. Some blurry guys, on blurry horses is about the best you can do.
I'm not a Confederate, not a racist, don't play one on TV, I don't even own a horse or mountain, yada, yada.
Funny how owning a chunk of metal can make you statistically more likely to be a bad guy in the eyes of some. I call it The Zumbo-method of judging folks.
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I don't see anything wrong with collecting Nazi marked items, it's just collection of a peice of history. You can destroy a symbol or a flag but you can't destroy ideas.
I'm Jewish and I certainly wouldn't mind having a Kar98k with the eagle and swastika intact or a helmet with the swastika on it, it's just a symbol, the person who wore it is more than likely long dead anyways.
Prince Yamato, that's not a Mauser. It's a Steyr Mannlicher, made by one of Mauser's biggest competitors. Produced and used mainly by Austria and Hungary, they didn't become Nazi rifles until after the Anschluss (for the Austrian ones) or the beginning of WWII (for the Hungarian ones). They're neat rifles with a lot of history (and some of that is definitely Nazi history), but they're not Mausers.
But, since this thread started with a desire to collect Nazi weapons, these definitely count.
But, since this thread started with a desire to collect Nazi weapons, these definitely count.
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