Nearly 900 Assault Rifles, Handguns Seized From Home

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This thing reminds me of the movie with the gun collecter/survivalist and the giant flesh eating worms,,,,,,
I forget the name of the movie but it was also pretty cool when Fred Ward dug the 7 1/2 SAA from under the seat of his Jeep pick-up.
 
I think that was Tremors.

When I first saw the title the first thing I thought of was Neo saying "Guns. We need lots of guns." Then him being transported to this guy's basement.
 
I think the unspoken point is that the ownership or trade of firearms and other weapons should be no more illegal than the relationship you and your partner share. Unfortunately, both of these things are “illegal” to some extent.
Didn't you hear about Lawrence v. Texas?
 
The guy sounds like a patriot standing up to unjust laws to me. I would wager that his original conviction for "explosives" was some trumped up charge over a tracer round or some illegal fireworks. I'm sure that the ATF could find some "explosives" in my house between common household cleaners, reloading components and gardening supplies.

It was him working with a bunch of Mexicans to try and blow up Fidel Castro according to the news report I read. He was a Cuban immigrant, US Special Forces type and they were looking for a couple of weapons that may have been involved in a shooting by one of his friends and came across the collection.
 
Seems to me that the argument for the Right To Keep and Bear Arms gains very little by backing a guy like this. He was a felon that shouldn't legally be allowed to own a single gun, and he's suspected (according to the article) of running an illegal gun sales\dealership.

Okay

1) the argument about whether or not convicted felons should be allowed to own guns is a valid question

2) how smart is a convicted felon if he owns almost 900 guns and some C-4?

3) and, while I hope he's innocent (for his sake) how stupid would you have to be to decide to become an unlicensed arms distributor in the republik of California?????


My bottom line: The guy's obviously innocent until proven guilty, but there's a lot of folks here that are willing to post that he's some kind of martyr just because his socialist State is picking on him. Bullhockey.... I hope the guy's innocent, but I'm fairly convinced he's also an idiot and surely wouldn't want to use him, or his situation, to argue the right to keep and bear arms.
 
Out here in the dakotas youd be surprised what you run across on occasion. I work night shift at the water treatment plant on occasion and when youre outside chekcing ponds or something you often hear FAs cackling. IVe seen a few sten kit builds the owners claimed were semis but im not so sure. I saw a custom 1919A4 build im SURE was FA but the guy left before i could check it out. Like was said before, how many parts kits with all teh FA parts are out there. Even if 95% were built to legal semis that still thousands of weapons flaoting around that nobody knows about.

SW
 
Gee, I wonder how many weapons are gonna somehow "fall" of of the truck on the way to the smelter?

Or,better yet, how many "fell" by the sideline and never got counted!

With the current state of affairs about how BATFE operates and reports about felons and guns I find myself thinking how many people really were felons actually caught in possession of firearms as opposed to people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time and then "made" into felons by various means.

Just my .02 worth
 
One of the few advantages to being old and retired is having a lot of time to read. I read lots of stuff, some of it even worthwhile. Something I've come across several times is a couple of Latin phrases that lawyer-types use to describe actions that are against the law. 'Malum in se' and 'malum prohibitum.'
What are they? Well, 'malum in se' describes acts that are just plain bad. Murder, rape and robbery are 'malum in se.' 'Malum prohibitum' translates roughly to "it's bad 'cause I said so." The "I" in this case can be a legislative body or an agency with the power to make regulations the rest of us have to recognize.
Suppose you were driving across the desert on a straight, narrow 2-lane road and there were no other cars anywhere in sight. Suppose you decided to drive on the left side of the road for awhile and the highway patrol just happened to have a helicopter in the area and you were photographed taking your trip to the wild side. Suppose you then got a citation in the mail.
Who was harmed by driving on the left side of the road? No one, of course, but you could be convicted of a perfect example of 'malum prohibitum'.
While I too have some doubts about Mr. Ferro's intelligence in this case, he has clearly been victimized by a 'malum prohibitum' law. Why should anyone care if he has a gun? Or 900 guns? As long as he doesn't use them to harm or threaten other people, he could have a couple of Bradleys and a main battle tank in his garage--- fully loaded!
But of course the simple possession of guns does threaten someone, doesn't it? It's a direct threat to all those who believe they can think for us far better than we. The ones who want to rule us while stealing our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. The Ray Nagins and Barbara Boxers of the world can never feel safe as long as there are people 'out there' who still believe they have a right to chart their own course and the tools to defend their positions.
A little over four and one-half years ago America was awakened to the fact that a large part of the world wants us dead. The clamor is still going on about how we were attacked so suddenly. Well, if we hadn't all been so intent on making a direct visual inspection of our own intestinal polyps we'd have known that this new "war" had been going on for twenty-five years, beginning on the 'Andrea Doria' and the murder of Leon Klinghoffer. They started the war, we decided not to play until 9-11.
So, when did the government's 'war on guns' start? The first big battle came in 1934 and we lost. There were a few minor skirmishes over the next three decades but we lost nearly all of them too. We did come out somewhat ahead on "Miller" but we didn't realize it and so lost much of whatever advantage we might have gained.
Then came 1968 and some of us finally realized what was happening but the tide was against us and we watched the Brady Act, the Lautenberg Amendment and a dozen other little nibble-and-bite bills that further reduced our right to own guns. Tossed into the mix were things like Ruby Ridge and Waco. How many brave keyboard commandos took their "sniper rifles" and tried to outflank the feds on either of those disasters or were we too busy checking our lower intestines?
I don't know about the rest of you but when I hear of someone the government wants to deny gun ownership to, I -- nearly reflexively-- want him to have every gun he can handle. When an agency like the ATF can write regulations, interpret them and then enforce them too we are living in a police state. Just because we have beer, television and state-sanctioned concealed carry doesn't change the fact that we are playing their game with their ball, their bat, on their field and using their rules.
Sorry for the rant.
 
Are you kidding, listen to what you are saying

Look,

I may be only 21 and have only been an avid shooter/ hunter for a couple of years now, but does any of the information presented in the above register with you guys. The man was a suspected black-market gun runner, why else would he have in his possession that many guns, especially those like .50 machine guns, much less weapons with silencers. The statement made by oldfart stands, however the man was also a convicted felon, therefore by that understanding alone all his weapons should have been confiscated. People like him give the rest of us "normal" gun advocates a bad name. Because with politicians it isn't a matter of whether you have access to guns but rather all they focus are on crazies like this guy. Don't get me wrong I am Republican, and conservative as well as being a member of the NRA, but my God what purpose on this Earth does anyone need that many firearms for. For me it can only be for evil intentions. That guy was wrong and he deserves what he got.

Remember, the only way to fight the system is to do it from the inside out. Situations like this do not help one bit in the securing of the 2nd Amendment, however in situations like this I tend to believe that there are too many stupid people out there with guns and it should be a priviledge not a right to own and operate them.
 
Listen to what I'm saying.

I'm saying I keep about 30 guns plus or minus, most of them for no other reason than I enjoy them. If I could afford to buy a 7000 square foot house in California, I'd have more than he did and you could bet your bottom dollar I buy every single one just to suit my own interest.

If I want a suppressor, a USAS 12 or just a $#!+load of guns, so what? If I trade a few guns to acquire some new toys, so what? So long as I don't hurt anyone, what is the harm? I have no doubt that this guy was skuzzy and would have been no friend of mine, but having a bunch of guns is no crime even if it isn’t legal.

Same goes for explosives. I can only imagine the hours and hours of work a few judicious applications of HE could have saved me.


David
 
RodneyKSig

welcome to thr.

Do you know anyone who smokes pot?

You give that cute gal (who has half a joint
in her purse that she has forgot about)
a lift home

You have a gun unloaded and locked up in your trunk.

You get pulled over, they find her forgotten joint, sieze your guns.
And you are now a felon.

It is far to easy to become a felon.

You probably broke ten laws today without realizing it.
 
+1 to oldfart and gunsmith

Of course the question has to be asked, if this guy was so violent and dangerous that he couldn't be trusted with a firearm, then why did they release him at all? If he is released then he is supposed to have served his time and paid his debt to society. He is now expected to become a normal, contributing member of society, but is still treated as a second class citizen with some rights infringed or denied to him entirely.

I say that if you aren't hurting someone with it, you should be able to have all the .50 caliber machine guns you want. Hell, I'll take two.

This guy didn't do anything wrong--just illegal. He's getting shafted for it by an abusive government agency on a power trip. This is how they make themselves feel important. Someone stole their lunch money in the 3rd grade so now they get to be the bullies.

This may not be the ATF, but one kevlar clad goon with a SMG busting down your door is as good as any other:

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I may be only 21 and have only been an avid shooter/ hunter for a couple of years now, but does any of the information presented in the above register with you guys. The man was a suspected black-market gun runner, why else would he have in his possession that many guns, especially those like .50 machine guns, much less weapons with silencers. The statement made by oldfart stands, however the man was also a convicted felon, therefore by that understanding alone all his weapons should have been confiscated.

A couple things:
1) It may surprise you to know that many (certainly not all, or perhaps even most) people feel that felons, especially non-violent ones, should still be allowed to own guns. The logic of this is that if you are violent person who is considered a danger to society then they shouldn't have let you out of jail in the first place, and if you aren't a danger to society then there should be no problem owning a gun.

2) As to the "much less weapons with silencers" line, what problem do you have with protecting your hearing?

Situations like this do not help one bit in the securing of the 2nd Amendment, however in situations like this I tend to believe that there are too many stupid people out there with guns and it should be a priviledge not a right to own and operate them.

You are entitled to your opinion. Thankfully the people who founded the country thought differently. Just out of curiosity what members of the "privileged" class would be allowed to own guns in your scenario?
 
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Even 900 cheap guns aren't cheap to obtain. (900x100=90000) If he had some machine guns in there, that took serious cash. I wonder why we didn't hear about the money the authorities likely seized.

jmm
 
Seems to me that the argument for the Right To Keep and Bear Arms gains very little by backing a guy like this.

James Miller (United States v. Miller) was a moonshiner who they caught with a sawed-off shotgun in his truck. No boy scout, he.

You don't always get to pick who you back up.
 
however in situations like this I tend to believe that there are too many stupid people out there with guns and it should be a priviledge not a right to own and operate them.

And, sir, who shall determine who is "stupid" and should not enjoy full civil rights? If I am "stupid" enough, should I also be barred from voting, from earning a living, from speaking my mind? Are YOU going to determine who is too "stupid" to be allowed constitutionally guarenteed rights?

Be very careful -- someone may come along and decide that you too, are too "stupid" to be allowed your constitutional rights.

If you continue to hold the opinion you expressed above, you realize that you must join the Brady Bunch, and pursue the gun-ban agenda, including repelling the 2nd amendment, so that you can make sure that the ability to own and operate a gun is a "priviledge and not a right".


It is always good to know on what side you stand.;)
 
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