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My friend and I are interested in getting into reloading to cut down on prices and increase accuracy. He has a 30-06 and i will soon get a 270 winchester. Thus, we will be able to buy 30-06 ammo cases in bulk and save money, while i can just neck down those cases to fit my 270. However, i have been trying to find out how to neck down certain rounds but have had no progess finding a way. My question is, how do you neck down a cartridge?
 
To make .270 Win brass from 30-06, you simply run the 30-06 brass through the .270 die, then trim if necessary. Easy as that.

My recomendation is to simply buy .270 brass to begin with. I have a bunch I would sell fairly cheap, let me know if you want some when you get set up to load. If you have a '06 and a .270, and load for both using '06 brass, you run the risk of a mix-up. Not a good thing. In the grand scheme of things, brass really is cheap.
 
The .270 Winchester was originally formed from 30-03 brass, which was longer than 30-06 brass. The 30-03 was 2.54" long, whereas the 30-06 is 2.49" long. The .270 Winchester is also 2.54" long.

If you neck up .270 brass to 30-06, you need to trim the brass quite a bit. Conversely, if you neck down 30-06 to .270, the case is too short.

The bottom line is you're better off buying the brass meant for each caliber and using it that way, with the proper headstamps.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
If you neck up .270 brass to 30-06, you need to trim the brass quite a bit. Conversely, if you neck down 30-06 to .270, the case is too short.


Necking down 30-06 to 270 does produce brass with a shorter neck than 270. I have found that as long as you load to the same OAL, there is a slight diffrence in velocity (not enough to have to rezero) and none in accuracy in my guns.

If you're buying the brass anyway there is little, if any, price difference between new 270 and 30-06. I'd just buy the 270.
 
Since the 30-06 is shorter than the 270 win, if we fired a 30-06 shell necked down to 270, wouldn't the case expand to fit the chamber while discharging? Considering the 30-06 is only shorter by .05 of an inch than the 270 would that be to far to expand without causing damage to the case itself?
 
You need to buy several reloading manuals and do some serious reading on the subject. You said in your first post that one of your goals was to improve accuracy. That probably isn't going to happen by using brass that's too short. This isn't intended as a criticism, only as a suggestion to get you on the right track.

As for your last question, the shoulders of the two cases are the same, so there wouldn't be a problem in fireforming the brass. The problem is in the total length of the shell casing. The grip on the bullet would be different with 30-06 casings than with .270 cases, since the necks would be different lengths.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
esmith - Firing makes cases larger in diameter but not longer unless there is excess headspace. Lengthening will occur during the FL sizing step tho, that's one reason to neck size for longer case life. The difference in factory case length between .270 and sized down -06 is negligible so your plan is a good one for both you and your buddy.

Sizing brass down not only works, it's very good. Factory chambers and factory brass leave a lot of slop in the neck fit so necking down, giving VERY SLIGHTLY THICKER NECKS, works better than necking up to get even thinner necks for an already oversized chamber. As mentioned above you may just sholve the -06 stuff in your .270 FL die.

It would be nice if you have access to a .280 FL die to use as an intermediate step but it's not really needed for that work. I just like to keep the change steps around .015" when necking down, the .030" you will need is not ideal in my opinion but I have done that much in one step too.

(My best .22-250, 6mm International and .243 cases are made from .30-06 and .35 Whelen, with appropriate work to make it fit the chambers snugly.)
 
Heck...

Many years ago, Uncle Sam used to leave brass laying around free to anyone who would pick it up. Had a cousin who lived near an air force firing range. His father got a lifetime supply of '06 (pocket full, he didn't hunt much) one picnic. MPs closed the place down (to the public) when they were going to shoot. Otherwise open to the public. Cousin had a collection of fired ammo pieces I envied... .50 cal bullets with rifling marks.

This was the big feature of the .270 per men like Jack O'Connor. Less recoil than the '06. More velocity. And you could make brass by shoving a free '06 case into a full length .270 die.

Today the difference is that Uncle Sam has abandoned the /'06 and it isn't free. You do a bulk order and I don't really think you will save much between 500 '06 and 500 .270 or 1,000 '06 for reforming... but you suit yourselves. It is doable. It is safe. It should have only the most minor effect on accuracy in sporting weapons. But will you save enough to matter? I doubt. luck.
 
+1 on just buying the right brass. A resized '06 in 270 form placed mistakenly in a 30-06 could make for a real bummer of a damaged gun story or worse, a trip to the emergency room.

Safety first. Cost savings are not worth two different ammo stocks with the same 30-06 stamping on them. Too much chance for a mistake you can't take back IMO.
 
When I make .357 Herrett from .30-30's I move the shoulder back .200 and expand the neck from .30 to .35. You can use the dies that come with your reloading set IF you lube them well. The sizing die typically has enough chamfer to accept the 30-06 and will then size it down.

Some have suggested Imperial. I'm sure it works well but the best lube I've used is Rooster CFL (Case Forming Lube).
 
I'm not sure that firing a 270 cartridge in a 30-06 would do any damage at all. Accuracy will be poor and velocity will be even poorer. The bullet will most likely make it to the end of the barrel, 'though.;)

303Guy
 
Overall, the biggest problem I see is that the head stamp will be wrong. You'll probably have to thin down the necks as they'll thicken when squeezed down.
 
As peterotte says, firing a .270 in an -06 would give lousy results and going the other way the round would not chamber but neither is a safety issue. And any reloader who can't recognise his cartridge without reading the headstamp should not be in the business of shooting anyway.

As redneck says, the finished necks on your .270 cases will be a little thicker but not excessively so. ALL factory brass has necks thinner and factory chambers are larger than safety requires so necking down is not a problem unless you are making massive changes (as I do). No neck turning will be needed going from .30 t0 .27 caliber but, if you are uncomfortable with it, just mike the finished diameter to be certain it's not too large to chamber properly.
 
Get a copy of : The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions (Third Edition).
 

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An aside from the original question, but this reminds me of some .243 rounds I loaded years ago. I bought some used .243 dies and they came with an inside neck reamer. I went through my scrap brass bucket and found some other calibers I had thrown out because of split necks, or even any good shells that were convertable to .243. I ended up with 50 rounds with mostly different headstamps; 30-06, 270, 280, 35 Whelen, 25-06, 8mm, 7mm, 308, 7-08, 257 Robt., military headstamps going back to the '20s. They were all sized to .243 Winchester, trimmed to the correct length, inside reamed, and loaded with a mild load that was safe in all the various converted brass.

A friend's younger brother had his eighteenth birthday (a big occasion in their family) and I was invited. Hunting is also big in their family, so as a joke I gave him that ammo for a gift (he used a .243). I heard later that his dad did not like it at all and made him take it up in the hills behind their house and shoot it all up, leaving the brass lie. It seems they had many of those calibers among the large extended family and he was scared to death of a mix up that would blow them all to smithereens.

And any reloader who can't recognise his cartridge without reading the headstamp should not be in the business of shooting anyway.

I agree completely, and would add that anyone who can't tell the difference between a .243 Win and a .35 Whelen shouldn't be hunting with a rifle. However, some folks out there don't know anything about guns beyond making sure the numbers on the cartridge match the numbers on the barrel.:eek:
 
lgsracer could you post or e-mail <PCOLIVER at JUNO dot COM> me the conversion page for the 7.7x58mm JAP cartridge from "The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions"?
 
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