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Need 1911 bushing help.

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by clipse, Dec 21, 2004.

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  1. clipse

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    Is this a problem?

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  2. Bill Z

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    Hopefully it's the lug on the bushing that is out of spec and not the slide itself. If so, fitting a new bushing will take care of it.

    Is your accuracy suffering from this? I would imagine the bushing is moving with the recoil and motion of the slide and barrel. Either way, I would see if fitting a good bushing would solve this for you as at the very least you will have increased wear.
     
  3. clipse

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    I have only shot about 75 rounds through this gun. And when I shot it, it was almost 20 degrees outside. I was shaking pretty bad and couldn't tell if it was me or the gun that was getting such bad groups.

    clipse
     
  4. Old Fuff

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    Field-strip the pistol and replace the barrel bushing without the barrel in place. Then wiggle the bushing to see if it is excessively loose in the slide. If so, it would be best to follow Bill's advise and replace the bushing.

    You didn't mention the make and model of the pistol. This information could make a difference. It could also indicate what would be the best choice in picking a new bushing.
     
  5. kart racer

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    is it a s/a gi?i saw one at the gun show almost identical,i was looking for my first 1911 and wondered what the deal was.
     
  6. Mac's

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    I'm assuming that this is a used pistol?.......If so, you should also check for abnormal wear patterns on the inside of the bushing and the out side of the barrel. If it's been "running crooked", replacing the bushing may not improve the accuracy that much. You may have to replace the barrel too. Good luck and keep yer powder dry, Mac.

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  7. Jammer Six

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    Bill, how could the slide be out?

    Isn't the slide what everything is fit to?

    I'm not saying this very well, but isn't the slide what sets the baseline?
     
  8. gamachinist

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    Jammer,
    The slide could have been mismachined as easily as the bushing!

    And from what I have been reading here lately,I'm not too sure anyone builds one right anymore! :banghead:

    Guess I'll have to stick to my old USGI's and old Colts,I had an Auto Ordnace some time back that soured me on copies.

    Robert.
     
  9. 1911Tuner

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    Bushing Burp

    Hmmmm. Just to toss in another "possible" here...

    The bushing is kicked out on one side. I'm gonna take a WAG and say that the bushing lug is a loose fit in its raceway AND the bushing to slide clearance is excessive. Maybe as much as .010-.012 inch.

    Use a caliper to measure the bushing OD and the slide bore's ID to see what the difference is. If the slide bore is over .704 inch, you'll need an oversized bushing for a good fit...or a max dimension drop-in for an ordnance fit. MGW
    drop-in bushings are .698-.700 OD and may give you what you want without going to a hard-fit bushing, which usually run to .705 or more. The drop-in bushing's ID averages .583-.584 inch, and generally provide a fairly good fit to most production barrels. Usually in the neighborhood of .003 inch clearance in battery position.

    Standin' by...
     
  10. macavada

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    Hey Tuner. That's what my DW looked like after I sent it back to the factory and it was "fixed". That is, until I had it fixed again.
     
  11. 1911Tuner

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    Fixed and re-Fixed

    Marco...sssshhhh :scrutiny: We ain't supposed to mention that. :uhoh:




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  12. Bill Z

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    Either part could be out of spec. but even if the slide is machined wrong, a good tight bushing will help greatly as it shouldn't let the bushing cant at that angle. Not much you can economically do to the slide.

    Looks like the pistol has never even been holstered from the pic. If it's new, send it back to the manufacturer unless you can find a good local smith to fit a match bushing reasonably. Usually a factory gun can benefit from one anyhow.

    Out of curiosity, how long is the bushing? Wonder if they put a commander/officer bushing in it to boot?
     
  13. stans

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    I've seen bushings like that, usually it is just a way undersized bushing.

    Some guns are built, others are "assembled". :scrutiny:
     
  14. clipse

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    This is a brand new Springfield Armory GI fullsized pistol. Like I said, I have only shot about 75 rounds through it and I have had it for just a few days now. I did install the bushing in the slide with the barrel out and it was excessively loose. I will measure the OD of the bushing and the slide bore this weekend. (I really need to get a caliper) I am trying to figure out if I should try to get a new bushing or just send it back to SA. I really don't like the idea of sending a gun someplace so if I can do fix this with a new bushing that would be great. I don't really want this to be super tight. I intend on this being my carry gun not a match gun.

    Thanks for all the advise. After I get the deminsions I will let you guys know wha they are.

    clipse
     
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    Well, I'll get jumped for this as all of the consumer advocates will come crawling out of the woodwork and say that Springfield needs to make it right and them mumble something like it should have never left the factory that way, etc... Well, they are right about that, they should and it shouldn't have, however, let's be realistic. The only thing they are going to do is reach around in their parts tray and keep popping in bushing's until one fits better and ship it back. They are an assembler. You've got a great deal on a working firearm, you couldn't buy the parts to build one for double what they retail for. Unless you are just adament about them tossing in another 'drops-in-easily' bushing, you would be 'aggrivation' and accuracy ahead by having one fitted or fitting one yourself. A good bushing can be had for about 20.00, and with your dimensions you can just about find one that fits or have one fitted for about another 20-40 dollars depending on the local market.
     
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    I had a similar problem with a Norinco. It wasn't as loose as yours but it was still looser than I wanted. The biggest problem with mine was that the ID of the bushing was ground oblong. I measured both the slide and barrel and then looked in Brownell's catalog to find the drop in bushing with the closest fit. In my case it was the Ed Brown bushing. I bought one and it dropped in and worked well.
     
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    I emailed SA about. I am going to see what they say. If they want the whole gun back then I will likely just get a bushing from Brownells and see if that works first. If the deminsions on the on the slide are too far off I will complain about that and send the gun back. Probably just send the slide back if that is ok with SA.

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    I just tried the bushing in an older (much older) Colt and the bushing was fine in it and the bushing from the Colt had the same problem in the SA as the original SA bushing.

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  19. 45auto

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    I'd send that one back to Springfield.
     
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    I called them and the lady I talked to put me on hold and when she came back on she told me that they were supposed to be loose. :uhoh: I explained that it was excessively loose and she said she would have to talk to one of the tech's and get back with me. She hadn't and I had to go back to work. I'll call them back here soon.

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  21. Bill Z

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    In 1974 Chevy told me my Vega was supposed to rust.
     
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    I called them back. The lady told me again that the bushing was supposed to be loose. I then told her that the accuracy was suffering and I believed it to be the bushing. I then told her that if I was supposed to be getting 6 inch groups with this pistol at 7 yards then I would just take it back and use the money on a Colt. She told me that accuracy was supposed to be better than that and that I should send it in. I got and RMA # ( I have no idea what its for) and I will ship it off Friday. I have absolutely no idea what I am supposed to be doing here. Especially with the packaging. I suppose I will just put in the its box, include a letter and take to UPS and explain what I am doing. I think I remember that either I or they need to note that there is a firearm in the box. I will find out Friday. She said that I should send it in about the accuracy and just mention the bushing being loose. This is a little frustrating. I guess I should have noticed the bushing before I bought this pistol. Oh well. I keep you guys updated.

    clipse
     
  23. 45auto

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    Ha, I had a 1972 Chevy Vega GT, fenders and cowl rusted out in 2 1/2 years.
     
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    Returned Merchandise Authorization, or some such thing. It lets the receiver know that this item is expected. I expect UPS will need to know what they are shipping, they are real picky about firearms and I have heard horror stories about UPS agents not wanting to accept a firearm for shipment. I do think Springfield should take of this obviously out of spec issue. If it is a case of an undersized bushing, the fix is easy. If the inside of the slide was hogged out, then the fix is more difficult and there could also be problems with insufficient locking lug engagement in such a situation. If the slide was hogged out, they should opt to replace the slide.
     
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    Like A Rock!

    In 1974, they were.

    That's what you get for buying a Vega. :D
     
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