Need a "balanced" .38 round - low recoil w/decent stopping power?

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Hmmm...let's see if I've got it right. You ask for a .38 special, non plus P, low recoil round to fire from a 2 inch or less barrel, correct? If so, RyanM has it exactly right--148 grain target wadcutter. I carry the Winchester though, not the remington, in my Colt Cobra.:neener:
 
Sorry for leaving this 'un for so long, and thanks for the ideas!

The gun in question was an older 4" blued S&W .38 5-shooter. Even after a decent cleaning and lubing (all exterior tho, I never have gotten into the "guts" of a wheelgun before) - the cylinder is hard to swing open. Needs a firm "tap." Still, shoots pretty good as I learned today when she came down for a LITTLE shooting with them.

Her son also picked out a brand-new SWEET Airweight for her, looked like about 1 3/4." Didn't say "titanium" on there...maybe a matte stainless finish?

I fired each first. Had a "rite of passage," getting a hunk of thumb-joint ripped off by the latch when the thumb was too high! :what: Live and learn!

Anyway, she then came out to shoot. To my horror, her first "technique" consisted of taking a one-hand grip and TURNING AWAY from the target I had set up, shutting her eyes TIGHT and pulling the trigger!

YEAH...I worked on that. ;) At least when I was through she was LOOKING at the general direction she was shooting.

She also complained about the noise, even though I gave her earplugs. Was glad to learn she only shot the new gun once when she told me that she didn't have any of her OWN to use! She asked if they made any "quieter guns." Not really wanting to go into the unjust laws against silencers, I just said "not really." ;)
 
Anyway, she then came out to shoot. To my horror, her first "technique" consisted of taking a one-hand grip and TURNING AWAY from the target I had set up, shutting her eyes TIGHT and pulling the trigger!

YEAH...I worked on that. At least when I was through she was LOOKING at the general direction she was shooting.

She also complained about the noise, even though I gave her earplugs. Was glad to learn she only shot the new gun once when she told me that she didn't have any of her OWN to use! She asked if they made any "quieter guns."

Sounds like she has some very real intimidation/fear issues to overcome. Was she shooting the airweight? I hope not, snubbies can be a handful, especially the really lightweight ones in the hands of someone who is intimidated. Many experienced shooter here on THR don't like the kick of the little .38 airweight snub as they find it painful and hard to control.

There a few options I see, and she would need to be involved in the process and pick the best option for her. See if you can go to a range and rent a few of the following:

1) A full size service style .38/.357 revolver, 4" barrel. The extra weight and barrel length do a lot towards reducing felt recoil, though they aren't a lot quieter than a snub. Load it up with some low recoil, target type wadcutters/semi wc ammo.

2) Small youth sized shotgun, .410 Ga. I've never fired a .410, maybe others can comment. One advantage of a shotgun, particularly a low power .410, is that it does not take as much practice to become proficient in their use. Aim is still important, but not as critical as with small handguns. Not sure about noise though. Start out with birdshot, then work your way up to some of the lighter buck shot loads.

3) A .22LR revolver. This may be the best bet. Is the .22 the best SD choice? No, but it beats throwing a remote control. Plus, the .22 is pretty quiet and recoil is very mild. If she doesn't mind shooting a .22 and can make more accurate shots, than that is what is most important. A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .38 (or 9mm, .45 etc..) any day, everytime. Plus if she gets used to the .22, maybe one day she could try out #1 above.

Again, of the 3 options I just described, I think #3 could be the best option. But let her try something at a range. Let her decide, just be there to give guidance and answer her questions. Most importantly, show her how the gun she is about to shoot works. I learned this the hard way with my mom, she was intimated because she did not understand the mechanics of the gun (didn't help that it was a Single Action .22). Let her handle it, UNLOADED of course, to get a feel for it and get over the initial fear. This is very important.

Good luck, I hope she can find a solution that works for her.
 
For noise on the range, have her double up on plugs AND muffs. It will really help. Noise and muzzle blast can make it hard for new shooters and at least you can do something about the noise.

That titatium or scadium or whatever snubbie is exactly the WRONG gun for her. If she's not going to carrry the gun, there is no reason to go "small and light." The light weight only amplifies the recoil and the small grip makes it harder to shoot. For a home defense gun, a standard 4" K or L frame revolver is a much better bet for her.
 
Probably your best bet available now is standard pressure 158gr "Keith profile" semi-wadcutters. It has a flat enough nose to deliver some "wallop".
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158gr. LSWC I use it for practice and carry in my 642:cool:
 
If you want to turn off somebody on shooting start them with a light weight snubbie.

If the lady in question is not going to carry concealed and needs essentially a house gun get her a Smith 10 or 64.
 
Maybe I should look into the Hogue grips for the older Smith on the left for her...

Then she can sell ME the snubby and use the money for a better HD gun!!! :D :D :D

That's exactly the kind of snubby I had on my "to buy eventually" list EXCEPT that I wanted a .357....

Though...while not a "horrible" experience, the WallyWorld .38 MC (158gr, IIRC) were a bit of a handful for me...! :uhoh:

Hmmm...I don't know how much of a gunny my cousin (her son) is, but it sounds like he may have let the gunshop do the "picking" FOR him. Though maybe he wasn't clear on what she needed it FOR. Or maybe he was wanting her to have something to carry with her, but she has other ideas...;)
 

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A .22 long rifle revolver with a 5 or 6 inch barrel would help get over the noise problem with some help and experience. Puts the sound slightly further away than with a shorter barrel length. My son and daughter both had that problem and my 5 inch Taurus 94 and old H&R 649 with 6 inch barrel came out for the training. Used the old trick of putting a few empties in the cylinder which showed them they were anticipating the gun going off. Let them dry fire with snap caps proir so they could get a feel for what was happening. Used 22 shorts and short CBs to start them off and worked up to the long rifles gradually. Both became proficent shooters ,but it took time and patience. Both are know avid pisteleros. Good luck.
 
Hi Green Lantern...

The inverted 148 gr lead wadcutter hollowpoints mentioned by "usmccpl" are very, very good. A 20ga shotgun would be better for her. But - for my money - I would talk her out of keeping a loaded gun around unless I knew she could (and would) use it as well as you. The mere acquisition of a gun does not a gunfighter make.

Local opinions may vary. :)
 
The airweight snub was a horrible choice for her. The 4" Smith with target wadcutters would be great to start her off with. Double up plugs and muffs. After she gets good and confident with that combo...could try some better loads like the 135gr Corbons. Might not get to that point though. A well placed 148gr wadcutter or 5, beats 5 turned away from target eyes closed misses.

I'm with you GL, I don't like shooting 38SP +P from an airweight. I prefer 300gr 44 mag loads out of a full size revo to that.
 
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