Need advice for small condo defense shotgun

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The city I am moving to bans handguns.

I'm looking for a suitable shotgun for home defense. My home, however, is a small condo. Longest distance inside my unit is just under 40'. The largest room in the condo is 17' x 13'.

What do you guys recommend as far as gauge, shot type, action, etc.?

Being new to shotguns, I would also appreciate recommendations as far as manufacturers and specific models, etc. Would prefer to spend less money, but would be willing to buy the right tool for the job.

I'm assuming I want something relatively short, since there is little room to maneuver.

Would I be better served with a lever-action carbine? I currently have a .38/.357 Marlin lever-action, but I am a bit concerned about overpenetration. There is only concrete above and below me, the walls, I believe, will be dry wall.

Thanks for any advice you guys may have!
 
You would be okay for the levergun.


If you want to keep a short gun, and stay with the western theme, a double barrel Stoeger or Baikal in 12 or 20 gauge with a decent recoil pad will be shorter than any pump or semi (no action it's all barrel) with the 18.5" or 20" barrel on them, and the odds of getting off more than two or three shots is kind of low. Plus with a double barrel and external hammers, you can leave both barrels loaded and hammers uncocked basically forever.

With low recoil buckshot (Winchester, Federal Tactical, Hornady TAP, etc) you'd be okay. Any shot even birdshot will go through drywall, so pick your shots carefully and know what's a "shoot" and a "non-shoot" direction. If you ever need to use it, make sure you hit.

If you choose to go with a non-double barrel, a used Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 12ga pump action runs about $150-200, a new one, about $300 (same for double barrels). Stick a light on it, and you're good to go.

Gunshop near me had four used pumps for under $200 and being a very large gunshop they were more expensive than some (large collection to store).

Edit: The other advice is to not move to that city.
 
Many discount sporting stores in Texas area will sell basic 18 inch barrel 870 pump gun for about $235 normally, and under $200 on sale.

This will serve your basic needs. I've got nothing against a lever action, I just love my short Bushy and SAR-1!

I alternate as the impulse moves.

Questions about wall penetration are pretty much devil in the details, there is no perfect answer. Just check your angles, think through scenarios.


By rule of thumb, that forty feet will give you 14 inches max spread of shot group with 00 buck, which may still have a stray pellet or two if you hold center of mass. Of course, guns, ammo, and chokes may vary.

I wouldn't worry about it.
 
I wouldnt be caught dead without a handgun. I'd still have one (or 3) and keep it hidden "just in case".

I jsut bought a remington 870 express, with a 2 shot extension. It shoots well and holds 7 rounds of OO buck. The only thing is the aweful finish. It rusts sitting in my bedroom. Very dry, and oiled well, and it still has minor surface rust. Because of this, i am buying a remington 870 Police, which is made with much more care. Better finish, stronger internal and external parts, all for $100 more. if you get the 870, i would definately get the Police model, but if $100 will break you, get the express.
 
Hi, Express- welcome aboard!

By saying you are new to shotguns, you tell us certain things we need to know. But there's some other info that would help. Like:

What's your physical size? Any physical problems?
How much shooting experience do you have, and with what?
Have you ever had any formal training with firearms?

You DO want something relatively short for inside use. If you are comfortable with your Marlin lever gun, and the local goobermint is willing to let you keep it, you already have a tool that should fill the bill. Some experimentation with ammunition might be in order, have you tried it with pre-fragmented ammo (Glaser etc)?

IF you want to add a shotgun, and if you're of smaller stature, or have some physical limitations, or lack a great deal of experience with firearms in general, it might be you'd want to consider a 20 ga. Action types available are single shot, double barrel, pump or auto, and prices will vary accordingly. But some may need modifications to fit you properly, and to best perform the role you have have in mind. Remington, Winchester and Mossberg make youth models of their popular pump guns in 20 ga., and those, right out of the box, are ready to assume the job you need done- with practice and training on your part, of course. I'm 6'3", weigh 295 pounds and my wife's 870 Youth Model is a pure pleasure for me to shoot even though it's a teeny little thing. It's easier for big folks to accomodate 'too small' guns than vice versa.

The same sort of options are available in 12 ga. if you'd rather go that route. There are some advantages to doing that- wider availability of accessories, ammunition choices, etc. Recoil might actually be more manageable in a 12 ga.- lightweight 20 ga. guns with heavy loads can be painful kickers. Again, a pumpgun is likely your best option for a repeater, if that's what you want. Try the offerings from the major manufacturers and see what you like best.

Shotguns are relatively easy to use and to learn, and they are the most widely legal and most decisive close range defensive weapon you can employ. That's the main reason they are so popular with people in uniform and out.

As to loads/shot size, I prefer 12 ga. low recoil loads of 00 buck in a house gun. There are low recoil #4 buck loads available also, for those who prefer smaller pellets and more of them. Some people swear by birdshot for home defense use, others swear at it. At very close range- zero to fifteen feet or so depending on the gun and load- birdshot can be devastating, at those ranges it can also penetrate walls. There is also 'frangible' buckshot available, like frangible bullets it is supposed to return to powder upon striking a hard surface. Stay away from any loads that are 3" or marked Magnum.

My own preference is for a Remington 870 in 12 ga. with an 18- 20 " barrel. I like having a white-light source mounted on the gun, and a Sidesaddle holding extra rounds is nice too. My current house guns (two 870 Express models, bought used for less than $200 each) are set up to fit my petite wife, who will shoot a 12 ga. in three gun competition and for real if she has to. But she needs a full length forearm and 1 1/2" taken off the stock for the gun to fit her, and she likes as little weight out front as possible so that precludes magazine extensions. They are kept with hammers down on empty chambers and three rounds in the magazine. She wants one load of low brass birdshot first up (thus loaded last) with two rounds of low recoil 00 following, and there are two more rounds of 00 and two low recoil slugs in the Sidesaddle. I am perfectly willing to adapt to her needs and wishes in this area.

My 'home away from home' gun here and now is a 12 ga. 870 'turkey gun' with a 21" vent rib barrel and twin beads. It's absolutely box stock except for the Pachmayer sling swivels the previous owner added, and the Modified choke tube installed instead of the Turkey Extra Full tube. I bought it used not too long ago for $165 out the door, brought it home and gave it a good cleaning, took it to the range for some function fire and pattern testing, and put it away with three rounds of 00 in the magazine. No magazine extension, no Sidesaddle, no lights, pistol grips, bells, whistles, no $99 tactical slings or any of that stuff. The lack of accessories bothers me not a bit.

One reason it doesn't bother me is that I have been shooting 870s for thirty years or so, and the gun feels like a part of me, even one that I have owned for only a matter of weeks. I know it inside and out, I have scrutinized every bit of it and shot it enough to be sure it works.

Whatever you decide to use as a house gun, work seriously toward developing full confidence in the tool itself and in your ability to use it. That's the best advice i can give you.

Best wishes,

lpl/nc
 
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