Need advice - Im buying a DA/SA pistol

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Hey everyone,

I've always been a big fan of double/single action pistols. My duty weapon is a S&W 4566 DA/SA and while I like it, Im looking for something more for my personal collection.

I was leaning towards a Beretta 92f and its still in my mind however, theres more. I was looking at some double actions like the Springfield, S&W MP, Glock and Walther P99. Ok, ok, Glock is a safe-action pistol or whatever, but you get what Im saying.

I've seen plenty of Sig Sauers that I am interested in as well.

One last piece of criteria that people find odd. I am looking for 9mm or .45, no .40S&W. Dont ask why, cause I probably couldnt give a reason :D

Thanks for any help
 
buy a 5" SA XD in either 9mm or .45 and use the remaining $200 that you would've spent on an M&P or something and buy ammo.
 
I was leaning towards a Beretta 92f and its still in my mind however, theres more. I was looking at some double actions like the Springfield, S&W MP, Glock and Walther P99. Ok, ok, Glock is a safe-action pistol or whatever, but you get what Im saying.
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Those aren't TDA guns.

buy a 5" SA XD in either 9mm or .45 and use the remaining $200 that you would've spent on an M&P or something and buy ammo.
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$200?!? Most anywhere I've looked, the prices of all four are well within $100 of each ther (excluding special sales). Local guy here has 5" 9mm XD at $489, Glock 17 at $509, Walther P99 and S&W M&P 9mm at $539.

Personally, I think the M&P is head and shoulders above the others. All are reliable, but the M&P has better ergonomics, better aesthetics and is the only one made in USA.
 
Can't vouch for most of them, but the XD is technically a single action. The striker is fully cocked before the trigger is pulled. It has a "safe action" trigger, but the striker is not in a "half cock" or "uncocked" condition.

A CZ75 or P-01 might also be worth considering.
 
I vote for the Walther P99 with the AS trigger which basically a DA/SA with the addition of the longer SA position when the pistol is loaded.
I have three P99s and all have been reliable and accurate.
 
thanks guys. its confusing keeping the safe actions and all that nonsense clear, but thanks for the clarification. Im taking a trip to the store on wednesday so Ill probably play with a few to figure it out.
 
Can't vouch for most of them, but the XD is technically a single action. The striker is fully cocked before the trigger is pulled. It has a "safe action" trigger, but the striker is not in a "half cock" or "uncocked" condition
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It is classified by the BATFE as DAO. It is technically DAO, but it operates SA in a practical sense.

Below is my 'essay' on triggers as found here; http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2522286&postcount=42. That was a Glock vs. XD thread in reference to the "two weapons" in the first sentance.

There has been much said of the triggers in question on the two weapons and I feel it needs clarification. Neither weapon has a true double action nor single action trigger. In both weapons the striker is partially pre-cocked and pulling the trigger moves the connector back which finishes cocking, and then releases the striker. The difference is the degree to which each striker is pre-cocked. Most estimates put the Glock at around 60% pre-cocked while the XDs are in the 95-98% range; I will agree that XD is so far pre-cocked that it essentially is firing single action. The result is that the Glock feels more like a traditional double action and the XD feels more like a single action (and it is essentially single action). The reality is that main spring and hammer terms don't fit striker fired pistols so well. Even the old terms don't fit new designs using traditional mainsprings and hammers like Para's LDA, SIG's DAK, and H&K's LEM trigger systems. All partially pre-cock the mainspring to some degree, thereby smoothing and reducing trigger pull, while still retaining most traditional DA charecteristics. Maybe we should call them all PPA - Partially Pre-cocked Action - not really SA, but not entirely DA either.
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Also, it is my understanding the US Army defines the Beretta M9 & SIG M11 as DA/SA; while in proposed trials they they made a provision for SFA - Striker Fired Action - Pistols, recognizing the unique operating charecteristics of these weapons.
 
GLOCK 21

GLOCK 21 is my choice. I have always liked the .45 as a self defense round. I chose GLOCK for the performance guarantee. Mine has yet to fail, no jams, no malfunctions, no problems or complaints. It is not made for 'PIMPING or STYLING', it is made for PERFORMANCE. Mine is a plain jane @ $525.00. I have not been disappointed. :)
 
My duty weapon is a S&W 4566 DA/SA and while I like it, Im looking for something more for my personal collection.
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I take it by that comment that you are a LE officer. As such, you get special pricing thru Glock for personal weapon purchases. Give Glock a call at 770 - 432 - 1202 and ask about LE pricing. They'll give you all the details on price, ID requirements, and where/who their participating dealers are in your area. Last I checked a base model in 9mm/40S&W/357 SIG was $400 w/ fixed sights and three mags, $475 w/ night sights, and something like $25-35 more for the 45 ACP/10mm models. Keep that in mind if you go with a Glock.
 
I'll have to side with Sir Ala Dan...

...and cast my vote for the Sig Sauer P220A. It's literally a pleasure to shoot, the reliability is almost boring, and the gun is more accurate than I am. It's especially easy on the hands for a .45ACP, and the Sig P-series models are just as easy to field strip and clean as a Glock, if not easier (no need to calculate 1/10" - no need to pull the trigger... just lock the slide back and pull the takedown lever). No safety to mess around with, just the simplicity of a decocking lever, and the knowledge that it will go bang when you need it to... And only when you need it to.

All the guns I own are accurate. Only my P220 shoots vertical 1 1/2 - 2" groups at 10 yds.
 
The Walther P99 AS is a good DA/SA pistol. Don't let the three-stage trigger throw you...it's essentially a DA/SA. I never even notice the second shot difference.

If you're interested in a Beretta, you should also consider the PX4 Storm. Great ergonomics, great muzzle control, 17 rds of 9mm....and a very accurate shooter.

You didn't mention external safeties...the P99 has a decocker but no safety. The PX4 has a safety, but can easily be converted into a decocker-only (G-model).

Someone mentioned the CZ 75B -- also a great choice. Accurate, reliable and solid. I have a 75BD (decocker only) and I just ordered an SP-01 Tactical. I also have the CZ 97B, which is the .45 ACP variant. One of the softest shooting .4's I've ever tried.

Jim
 
I've had Berettas (nice), H&Ks (very good), Glocks (solid), but I've settled in very comfortably with Sigs. P226 9mm, P226ST .40 and a P226R Navy 9mm on lay away. Probably a P220 ST .45acp after that to cure a .45 jones.
For me the Sigs are more ergonomic, accurate and reliable than anything else.
My first Sig was a well worn plain ol' P226 9mm. Great pistol at a very resonable price.
I like the traditional DA/SA.
Here's a great place to get a deal on CPO (Certified Pre Owned) Sigs or new ones:
http://www.ordnanceoutsellers.com
 
Those aren't TDA guns.
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The P99 is, or sure close enough that thats what I'd call it.

Here's how the AS trigger of the P99 works:

Rack the slide and the gun is cocked. The trigger does not move rearward as a TDA gun would. Decock and the gun, well decocks and you get a long double action first shot. Following shots the gun is both cocked and the trigger is back just like any other TDA pistol. The only difference between the AS and a TDA pistol is if you don't decock the trigger stays foward instead of moving backwards. Once you decock it, its functionally the same as any other TDA.
 
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