Hey guys i need some advice im looking at buying a semi auto 22 just for gopher hunting and possibly some compititons. Im looking at the ruger 10-22T Target model. What have u guys heard about these guns and wat kinda gun would u recomend? I dont want to go over the $500 range.
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gdvan01
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I realize that you're young but you really need to leave the "AOL speak" on AOL. Reading your post made my head spin and I think I heard baby Jesus crying.
Take the time to punctuate and spell correctly, please. The Ruger will do just fine.
Sorry I will work on the AOL chat. I was told by a certant store that if i was going to get a semi auto 22 i should choose between a Remington and a Ruger the Remington they recomended was the model 597, i havent heard much good about these guns. If anyone has the Ruger 10-22T targer model can you plz tell me your opinions on both of these guns. Thanks
Bazooka Joe71
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I dont know too much about remington 22's, but I do know most of there semi-auto's are less than impressive. Ruger OTOH, is a great rifle. I've had one for a long time w/ no problems. @ 50 yards with thunderbolt 22lr, it hits the same hole all day long. @ 100, its not too much worse.
Between the 2, I definately go with the Ruger....Plus, you definately won't be going over the 500 mark.
Between the 2, I definately go with the Ruger....Plus, you definately won't be going over the 500 mark.
Can someone compare the positives and negatives of the remington 597 and the Ruger 10-22T target model? I dont know enough about the to to do it my self. I have been doing some research but i would like someones opinion with more experience than me.
LkWinnipesaukee
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Go with the Ruger.
And c'mon guys! His grammar wasn't THAT bad!!
And c'mon guys! His grammar wasn't THAT bad!!
I have not done more than a Quick handle of the 597 at a gunstore so I can not give you a fair Ruger Vs Rem.
I have owned a Ruger 10/22T for quite a few years. They are very accurate and have a better trigger than the stock 10/22. The standard 10 round factory mags are reliable,solid,available about anywhere and cheep.There are some aftermarket oversize mags available,reliability is somewhat less than the factory 10's that fit flush to the bottom of the gun.
The "T" model has a full sized stock (vs the standard 10/22 which is somewhat smaller)
The 10/22T only comes set up for a scope,no provisions available for Iron sights.
The 10/22 system has an unbelieveable bunch of aftermarket goodies available for it.
I own a whole lot of different guns but if my house burned down and I lost them the 10/22T would be in the first batch to be replaced.
I have owned a Ruger 10/22T for quite a few years. They are very accurate and have a better trigger than the stock 10/22. The standard 10 round factory mags are reliable,solid,available about anywhere and cheep.There are some aftermarket oversize mags available,reliability is somewhat less than the factory 10's that fit flush to the bottom of the gun.
The "T" model has a full sized stock (vs the standard 10/22 which is somewhat smaller)
The 10/22T only comes set up for a scope,no provisions available for Iron sights.
The 10/22 system has an unbelieveable bunch of aftermarket goodies available for it.
I own a whole lot of different guns but if my house burned down and I lost them the 10/22T would be in the first batch to be replaced.
Simple Man
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I have owned and built a few custom Ruger 10-22's. Right out of the box they are ok shooters but nothing great. For just a couple of hundred dollars more you can have a great shooter out of it by swapping barrels, stocks and modifying triggers. You can pick up a heavy bull barrel (even fluted) for a little over a $100. You can get nice stocks for around $100 too and sometimes even cheaper if you find a nice used one. I picked up a thumb-hole laminate for $60 once that looked new. I usually buy a new 10-22 and then sell the barrel and stock off to help fund the new stuff. In the end you will have a rifle that you put together exactly the way you wanted and it should shoot very well. You can easily do this for the $500 budget or below and changing these parts are easy as can be. If you look hard and find good deals you can build one for $350 and that is even with figuring in the cost of a new 10-22.
The Ruger 597 is a good shooter and better than the 10-22 out of the box. Or atleast my 597 shot better that the 5 new unmodified 10-22's I have purchased.
The Ruger 597 is a good shooter and better than the 10-22 out of the box. Or atleast my 597 shot better that the 5 new unmodified 10-22's I have purchased.
Mak;
Are we talkin' Montana gophers here? The kind I spend a lot of time & energy shooting?
If so, I'm gonna suggest the standard 10/22, not the target version with the heavy barrel. Considering the extremely rapid and varied shot angles, runners, and groups, I find that heavy barrels have too much momentum to easily accomodate the very quick changes that occur in the sport.
Buy three more stock Ruger magazines, not any hi-caps, and use them. They are dead reliable & fit in pockets much better when walking the gopher fields.
Another point for the std 10/22 is that a good number of barrels give excellent accuracy. If, after doing the proper amount (read a whale of a lot) of ammo testing, your stock barrel simply will not shoot, get another. You can find them for free up to about $10.00 max. Many people pull the stocker without ever testing it & spend a fair number of bucks changing what they may not need to. Their loss can be your gain.
Spend money on the trigger & a decent scope first. You can do a lot worse than the Sightron 3-9X S1 rimfire for about $120.00. By going with the standard, you can get the scope & a Volquartsen trigger & still have some money for buying ammo for the test sessions. And be in budget.
900F
Are we talkin' Montana gophers here? The kind I spend a lot of time & energy shooting?
If so, I'm gonna suggest the standard 10/22, not the target version with the heavy barrel. Considering the extremely rapid and varied shot angles, runners, and groups, I find that heavy barrels have too much momentum to easily accomodate the very quick changes that occur in the sport.
Buy three more stock Ruger magazines, not any hi-caps, and use them. They are dead reliable & fit in pockets much better when walking the gopher fields.
Another point for the std 10/22 is that a good number of barrels give excellent accuracy. If, after doing the proper amount (read a whale of a lot) of ammo testing, your stock barrel simply will not shoot, get another. You can find them for free up to about $10.00 max. Many people pull the stocker without ever testing it & spend a fair number of bucks changing what they may not need to. Their loss can be your gain.
Spend money on the trigger & a decent scope first. You can do a lot worse than the Sightron 3-9X S1 rimfire for about $120.00. By going with the standard, you can get the scope & a Volquartsen trigger & still have some money for buying ammo for the test sessions. And be in budget.
900F
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Being a "RemingtonFreak" I would still say get the 10/22, my buddy had a Remington, it was the worst semi-auto any of us had ever fired, even out of the box. I had a 10/22 that he fell in love with and really really regreted the Remington purchase. You will have a hard time finding someone with a negative word about the 10/22. It would be sick with the target barrel and a scope.
Thanks guys. I am leaning towards the 10-22T, I found a thread today that didnt say to much good about the 597's. I have decided that if i am going to buy a gun i might as well spend the money and get one thet i will enjoy for a long time . What upgrades would you guys recomend for me? Bi pod?
. What upgrades would you guys recomend for me? Bi pod?jagdpanzer347
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Mak, welcome to THR. I would also recommend the Ruger. If you do decide to change things, the aftermarket for these is incredible. I'd buy one and shoot it a bit before changing anything. Once you see what it's cabable of, you'll get a better idea of any needed modifications.
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Mak,
Again, welcome to THR. If your looking at target models, another good choice is the T/C Benchmark .22 lr. I have a 10/22 International and the Benchmark.
I've been very, very happy with the T/C. Have a Simmons 44 Mag scope on it and have taken many squirels at 80 & 90 yards with head shots. Its a really good looking rifle!
Take a look at their website.
Mike
Again, welcome to THR. If your looking at target models, another good choice is the T/C Benchmark .22 lr. I have a 10/22 International and the Benchmark.
I've been very, very happy with the T/C. Have a Simmons 44 Mag scope on it and have taken many squirels at 80 & 90 yards with head shots. Its a really good looking rifle!
Take a look at their website.
Mike
Thefabulousfink
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Thumb-hole stocks are really a comfort issue. The nice ones will come with acuracy enhancing features like free-floating the barrel, but those are also available on regular-style stocks.
What the thumb-hole does is rotates the angle of your hand closer to vertical (similar to a pistol grip). Some shooters find this more comfortable and natural, other prefer traditional style. The best thing to do is hold each type and find out which feels more natural. The better the gun feels in your hands, the better you are likely to shoot it.
What the thumb-hole does is rotates the angle of your hand closer to vertical (similar to a pistol grip). Some shooters find this more comfortable and natural, other prefer traditional style. The best thing to do is hold each type and find out which feels more natural. The better the gun feels in your hands, the better you are likely to shoot it.
I will chime in again to politely rebut CB900F about the standard 10/22 vs the 10/22T. It is of course a matter of personal preference. Some folks do not like the feel of a heavier barrel but I own both and have shot them both in plate shoots,pin shoots and other games where fast accurate shots are desired and for me the heavier gun swings smother and holds steadier. The 10/22T is not just a dresed up standard model , it has a better trigger and shoots much better groups. this is not just a slight improvement but the difference between night and day. I consider the 10/22T to be an accurate rifle and the standard 10/22 to be only a passible plinker. The standard 10/22 is somewhat difficult to shoot vs the 10/22T due to its coarse trigger,undersize stock and light weight. The standard 10/22 shoots "OK" but is only worthy of the cheep bulk ammo for plinking,the 10/22T will shoot the cheep stuff better but really shines when you search around and find a ammo that it likes. Mine favors Wolf MT and PMC Scoremaster..
Years ago I was all set to trick out one of my standard 10/22s with Barrel,stock and trigger improvements when I found out Ruger was doing the 10/22T and it has been one of my all around best firearm buys!
Years ago I was all set to trick out one of my standard 10/22s with Barrel,stock and trigger improvements when I found out Ruger was doing the 10/22T and it has been one of my all around best firearm buys!
Get a 10/22 with a krinker plinker conversion.
Check it out
http://krinkerplinker.com
you should come out between $500-600 or less if you get a 10/22 at a gun show
Check it out
http://krinkerplinker.com
you should come out between $500-600 or less if you get a 10/22 at a gun show
Nhsport;
Your opinion is certainly valid. But, by your own admission, your advice is based on range experience. On the other hand Mak~daddy specifically mentioned gopher shooting, a field sport.
I've spent a fair amount of time shooting gophers here in Montana. That involves walking the miles with the gun, burning hundreds of rounds a day, and learning how to get the highest number of hits with the least amount of ammunition expended. The targets run, hop unexpectedly in mid-run, reverse direction, fight each other, and are thoroughly unpredictable in behaviour. They'll line up in a row of dozens & sometimes hold for a magazine full of shots. More likely, they'll scatter after a couple of shots. This shot may be at 87 yards with a little head sticking above the young alfalfa & the next shot may literally be between your feet.
Then there's the wind. Mil-dots are a Godsend and heavy barrels overswing & get real heavy by the end of the day.
900F
Your opinion is certainly valid. But, by your own admission, your advice is based on range experience. On the other hand Mak~daddy specifically mentioned gopher shooting, a field sport.
I've spent a fair amount of time shooting gophers here in Montana. That involves walking the miles with the gun, burning hundreds of rounds a day, and learning how to get the highest number of hits with the least amount of ammunition expended. The targets run, hop unexpectedly in mid-run, reverse direction, fight each other, and are thoroughly unpredictable in behaviour. They'll line up in a row of dozens & sometimes hold for a magazine full of shots. More likely, they'll scatter after a couple of shots. This shot may be at 87 yards with a little head sticking above the young alfalfa & the next shot may literally be between your feet.
Then there's the wind. Mil-dots are a Godsend and heavy barrels overswing & get real heavy by the end of the day.
900F
Eightball
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That, sir, is the wisest sentiment to realize early on in life. You may not have a mass quantity of firearms, but the ones you may set yourself up buying.....man, they'll be keepers!
my advice: 10/22. I've never seen a good 597, and I'd be hard pressed to ever meet someone who didn't like a 10/22. Maybe the "rifle" version instead of the "carbine" version, if you didn't get the "target" version, would be a good application of said firearm to your uses? Personally, i love my Ruger, and wouldn't give it up for any other semi-22 on the market.
Jackal
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Why not just buy a cheaper surplus Mauser and make gopher dust with some 8mm ammo?
mak~daddy If you want a great gun well below your $550 dollar limit scour the pawn shops and pick up a used Ruger 10/22 any flavor any conditions as long as the receiver is good, because that is all you need. I picked up one for $50 and added $400 for a new barrel, stock, trigger, hammer, and spring kit. Now I have one nice rifle:
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I bought the 597 for my son (he's 8). It was not intended to be an heirloom (I already have a Browning BL22 for that), but a plinker for him to use. It has funtioned flawlessly, and with a little Nikon scope, is very accurate. It's a synthetic stock, so I don't worry about him banking it up, and the 10 round mags sit almost flush and allow him to rest the rifle on the bench. I think it's a great gun for its intended use.
If this were the only 22 I was getting, I'd get the Ruger.
If this were the only 22 I was getting, I'd get the Ruger.
www.rimfirecentral.com has more info on the 10-22 than you can probably find anywhere. The cool thing about the 10-22 is that even a base model from wal-mart is infinitely upgradable. You can start with a base model, even used, and work your way up to the gun you really want....and you can do it all yourself and REALLY learn your rifle.
Not gonna knock the remington but I would strongly reccomend the Ruger 10-22 it is the standard by which the others are judged and there is a lot more stuff available for it aftermarket.
Mike
Not gonna knock the remington but I would strongly reccomend the Ruger 10-22 it is the standard by which the others are judged and there is a lot more stuff available for it aftermarket.
Mike
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