Need clarification on Remington 1100 function/action

[1KPerDay]

My 1100 Magnum and every 1100 I've seen in use (which isn't a lot) requires you to hit the lifter button to close the bolt (which locks back when you retract it manually, with one in the chamber and one in the mag, or no rounds in the gun, or none in the chamber and rounds in the mag).

So to clear malfunctions/empty/cycle to the next round manually, you have to rack the bolt to the rear (which locks), and then hit the lifter button/bolt release to close the bolt.

Is that correct?


And if so, does the "easyloader" do something to the mechanism that allows you to rack the bolt (without locking) to cycle the next round from the mag into the chamber? Or does the bolt still lock back with rounds in the mag?

 

[jdh]

With a shell in the mag the bolt should not lock back.

To load:
gun on safe bolt locked back
put shell in ejection port
hit button to close bolt and chamber that shell
load mag tube through the bottom.

shoot

to unload:
gun on safe, barrel pointed in a safe direction
reach in the bottom, raise the lifter, press the right side shell stop to release a shell from the mag tube allowing it to fall clear
repeat until mag is empty
pull cocking handle to rear to eject shell from chamber and lock the action open
visually and physically check the mag and chamber to insure the gun is clear.

 

[1KPerDay]

Kay... but if for example a round is a dud: racking the bolt to eject the dud locks the bolt back, even if there are rounds in the magazine, right?

Mine locks back regardless of whether there are rounds in the mag or not. I retract the bolt to eject the "dud", and another shell is released from the mag, but the bolt locks back. YOu have to push the button on the lifter to release the bolt and chamber that round.

This guy's does also... see 2:35 here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0wZXIg_Spg

 

[jdh]

When I posted I was at my work bench in the gun shop. I tried a 20 and two 12 gauges. None of them locked the slide back with at least one dummy round in the mag tube. I just tried my personal 11-87. Dummy in the chamber and one in the mag, pull trigger, get click, perform redial action. It ejected and loaded from the tube just by pulling the handle.

Normal ready for my 11-87 is tube loaded chamber empty. In all the years I carried one in a patrol car or had it ready for home defense all I have ever had to do to load it was work the handle.

 

[Virginian]

All the ones I have owned (9), and most of the others I have seen all locked back unless you jerk the handle back and let it go really fast. Not locking back is a sign of a bent carrier latch in my opinion. There are a lot of those out there, many caused by dropping the hammer with the trigger group out of the gun.

 

[1KPerDay]

Thanks guys. jdh I'd prefer it if my 1100 functioned like yours apparently do, at least for 'tactical' competition. But it doesn't. (for field use it obviously doesn't matter, and I actually prefer the bolt to lock back for easier unloading.)

If anyone has had a "easyloader" installed on an 1100 that locks back with rounds in the mag (like mine) I'd like clarification specifically if the easyloader installation modifies the function of the gun to where you can load from the mag by racking the bolt (without pushing any button or up on the easyloader).

 

[kirbythegunsmith]

Details

The Virginian speaks true.
JDH may have very rapid and trained hands, too.

It takes a very rapid pull and release of the bolt handle to get the carrier to lift the next shell when manually cycling, since the shell feeding from the magazine is propelled out by the magazine spring and strikes the carrier latch to release the carrier.

That happens just once, and the latch does not stay depressed for more than a moment in that situation.

If the bolt handle has not been already released to allow the bolt to continue forward and allow the action bar to start the carrier pivot motion, the carrier will still be down when the latch spring returns the latch to the forward position after being struck by the shell fed.

The carrier will never flip up at that time since it has just been re-restrained by the latch now back in the forward position.

Clear as mud, right?

Kirby

 

[1KPerDay]

Interesting... I don't think mine will release the bolt (not lock back the bolt) no matter how quickly I rack it/release it. I'll try again.

 

[RugerMcMarlin]

You guys are confusing the hell out of me. I dont know how you could lock the bolt back with a round in the mag. mine only did it if empty. I'm also pretty sure you cant put one in the mag with it locked back. My opinion but i'd say something is jacked up. Im gonna go get mine out and see.

 

[Virginian]

You guys are confusing the hell out of me. I dont know how you could lock the bolt back with a round in the mag. mine only did it if empty. I'm also pretty sure you cant put one in the mag with it locked back. My opinion but i'd say something is jacked up.

Yours is "normal". You are not supposed to be able to load the magazine with the bolt locked back, but I have seen some screwed up trying.

 

[1KPerDay]

I'll show you a vid. You can't load the mag with the bolt locked back. But MINE locks the bolt back when manually retracting the bolt and feeding rounds from the mag. YOu have to press the carrier button every time.

 

[1KPerDay]

Here you go: see what you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS2ESRBbiJQ

 

[1KPerDay]

Anyone with an 1100 that can confirm/add input?

 

[Red Cent]

1Kperday, you have installed the magazine catch/release backwards/up side down when you installed the easy loader. Ask me how I know this .

 

[1KPerDay]

Okay... how do you know this? Particularly as I haven't installed anything or messed with anything. The gun is stock.

I searched up this old thread... seems Rbernie's was the same way as mine.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4320300&postcount=6

Works fine when actually shooting it, but when cycling rounds through manually, it locks back every time.

A friend found this...
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=9744

seems you can cure the 1100's locking back by filing the tab completely off, but then it never locks back, even empty.

I have no problem with this gun's function in hunting/target use, but for tactical/3-gun I would like to be able to cycle/eject live rounds or misfires through the gun without pressing the bolt release every time.

Basically I just want my 1100 to work like a benelli... is that too much to ask?

Maybe I should just buy a Benelli or Saiga and be done with it... but I already have this one and I rarely use it... thought I could get it working as a 3-gun gun.

 

[RugerMcMarlin]

I dont know. They made 1100s for a long time, is there a suble change in series I missed. Last one I had was a 20 sportsman 11-87,I dont know how many rounds of clay I shot with it, but Im pretty sure it functioned the same. Empty gun , bolt locked back, Put 1 in the port,push button, put 1 in the tube, take your 2 shots,bolt locks back, walk to next stand, repeat. I've only used that gun in exactly that way, so I probably never ran in to what you have.

 

[1KPerDay]

Yeah, I wonder how many actual owners have even noticed... cycling live/dummy rounds manually isn't something most people do often, if ever.

 

[Red Cent]

You mentioned an easy loader. That is a device sold to enhance the speed of feeding an 1187. When you shoot dry, you drop one in the receiver and as soon as you load one in the mag the bolt slams shut. It replaces that small chromed button in the feed gate.I put the "carrier release spring" in the wrong way. It locked open on each shot. Puzzled the crap out of me. Studied schematics and VIOLA! I noticed it. Switched and the 1187 runs awesome.

 

[Red Cent]

Who installed the "Easy Loader"?

 

[Red Cent]

....

 

[1KPerDay]

I've indeed been researching it... thanks for your input. So... with this installed properly, with rounds in the mag, if you pull back on the bolt handle and let it go, does it chamber a round or do you need to push up on the easyloader thing?

 

[RugerMcMarlin]

1KperDay, Had another idea, is it possible that there is an internal function, that works one way, if it has recoil from the fired shell that it doesnt get,with manual feed? Example I used to have a browning citori that a lot of times would not reset to fire the other barrel, if I used light target loads, it didn't develope enough enertia, to flip the doohicus. and you would have to bump the butt on the ground to make it fire. something like that?

 

[Virginian]

I have owned 9, still own 5, and have probably worked on a couple of hundred. Good enough?
The new Sporting 1100 I looked at a week or two ago works exactly like my 1963, 1966, 1970, 1977, and 2004 Models. The carrier latch on the 1977 LT20 is slightly bent, and you don't have to jerk and release it nearly as fast to get it to cycle the shell in the magazine into the chamber as with the others.

 

[1KPerDay]

So those who elsewhere have postulated that the bolt is designed to lock back after every shot unless a shell hits the whatsit doohickey are incorrect, right?

And there's something wrong with mine in your opinion?



RugerMcMarlin, that's apparently what's happening... under recoil the shell released from the mag has enouigh force to hit the doohickeybob and release the bolt properly and chamber the round. But hand-cycling doesn't.

unless I've misunderstood... again...

 

[Virginian]

No, they are correct. When you manually pull back the bolt, whether there are shells in the magazine or not, it is supposed to lock back. If it doesn't, the carrier latch is likely bent. This does not affect the function of the gun when firing shells unless it gets badly bent. The bolt is supposed to always lock back, but when firing and a shell is released from the magazine, it hits the carrier latch so quickly, releasing the bolt, it is like one uninterrupted motion.
If you take a gun that doesn't lock back, and one that does, and swap the trigger groups, the way they work will follow the trigger group.