Need help choosing a scope

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I have been handed the responsibility of buying,as a Christmas gift, a rifle scope for a family member that would prefer one with zoom up to 24x since his gun is a .204 and able to reach out their pretty good,and he is not a novice but a well-seasoned gun owner They have given me just $200 to work with. I know next to nothing about scopes aside from the fact that I recently bought a used outfit that included a Weaver V16,but that alone makes me the most knowledgeable close family member. I'm not even looking at Weaver prices knowing what mine went for new. Is expecting to find a good quality scope at that price unrealistic? Would I be better off looking at used or perhaps just a gift card at a website or store? Can you help Santa out here?
 
Weren't you lucky to be the appointed shopper!! I wouldn't recommend any variable scope going to 24X for only $200. You can get some good, reliable 3-9X variables for that amount though. Instead of a gift card, just give him the money and let him add to it. The best price on a scope might not come from the store with the gift card.
 
Wow, could they have given you a more difficult task? How about, "here's $200, go buy him a pro-grade digital camera".
 
Well,at least you were willing to point out the elephant in the room,like I didn't already see him. I appreciate your input and I think your suggestion of cash is the best choice. I know already as a novice new to both guns and shooting that I would not want to be on the receiving end of a $200 scope with his requirements. Thanks hoghunting.
 
Sorry, but I have no recommendations other than the cash. And cash is tacky. But choosing the right scope is hard enough to do for your own self. Tough situation you're in, my friend. I think I'd be tempted to pull him aside and say "looky here, this is what they want me to do, and this is what they gave me. How would you like to receive this?" You kinda need his input to make everyone happy and the gift a success. Just my opinion, but we all know I'm a knothead.
 
I have to agree that $200 for a 24x scope is a very tight budget. I would check into a Vortex Crossfire though, they have a 6-24 x 50 AO that's listed with a MSRP of $229 on their website.http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/riflescopes

You can get it for $200 on Amazon or Optics Planet
http://www.amazon.com/Vortex%C2%AE-24x50-Rifle-Scope-Matte/dp/B002JUEGKO

http://www.opticsplanet.net/vortex-riflescopes-crf-ao11-mdt.html

I have a vortex strikefire rds and I like it so far. I've seen some good opinions & reviews of Vortex optics on here and other interweb sources.
 
up to 24x since his gun is a .204 and able to reach out their pretty good
Seems like way too much power to me, unless he hunts house flys at 200 yards.

24x is practially unusable at long range on a sunny day due to mirage.
And it would be worthless on coyotes because you could never find one in the tiny field of view if he moved, which they do, a lot!

rc
 
I concur with the sentiments that 24x is simply not a highly useful top end; I think that 14x-16x is probably about as high as I'd ever go on a scope. Under $200, about the only scopes that I recommend are the basic Weavers and the lower-magnification Burris Fullfield IIs.

I agree with the gift card approach - a Cabelas/Bass Pro/MidwayUSA gift certificate is not tacky in the least.....
 
High magnification scopes designed for varmintin' traditionally use thinner reticles, to avoid the issue of the reticle obscuring too much of the target. The flip side of that is that the thinner reticle stands out less against darker backgrounds.

I have no experience with that line of Weaver scopes. Since the adage that 'you get what you pay for' largely holds true when discussing optics, I will assume that this scope will have less color fidelity, less clarity, less light transmission, and less forgiving off-axis viewing performance than more expensive scopes in the same functional range.
 
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=746570

I have a friend that has at least one if not a few of those Simmons. I know he has several similar ones, but I'm not sure if he has anymore than 1 in that exact power range. He is pretty happy with it, and I was checking it out yesterday. It's glass was pretty decent in the daylight. I'm not sure how it would be in low light. They also get quite a few good reviews.

So is that the best scope out there? Hell no, but I'm not sure you could get a ton better in your price range. Plus they have a 25% rebate on them.

That being said SWFA also sells the Vortex Crossfire 6-24's for $99. These scopes get some good reviews, but I've seen several bad ones about them failing. The advantage to these are that Vortex has a great lifetime warranty and will fix them if they ever do fail. http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Crossfire-Rifle-Scope-P43585.aspx The biggest downside to these though is that they are often back ordered.

Could you get much better glass in a 3-9x40 in that price range? Yes, but some people prefer magnification over class quality and both of the above seem to be decent in the glass department.

I can't think of much else under $200 that I'd even consider.

There are the Center Point 4-16's, and I have one of them and have done a review on it, but it doesn't meet your 20x magnification requirement, and to be honest, the glass looked quite a bit worse than the Simmons 6.5-20 my buddy has.
 
Speaking of scopes - a guy on another board has a "Leatherwood M1000" scope for sale. I've never heard of that name, anybody know anything about them? Looks pretty cool.
 
Hello Rondog,

I am familiar with them. The M1000 is the most current, civilian model of the ART (Auto-Ranging and Trajectory) riflescope developed by Jim Leatherwood. Jim's first ART scopes were used by the U.S. Army Sniper program from Vietnam to the mid-1980's on the M21 (an accurized M14 with the ART mounted on it), and there are still some in service today in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are no longer the primary glass that is used by U.S. Army snipers today, but they are the only scope from their era that are still used. As a matter of fact, Larry Vickers from Vickers Tactical television show recently spoke about the fact that as a US Green Beret he used the ART scope when he was in service.

The M1000 is NOT the version of the ART used by the military (that is the ART II, now built in Oklahoma). However, the M1000 was invented by Jim Leatherwood just prior to his death in 2007, and still uses a CAM that elevates and lowers the scope to match the trajectory of your round as you frame 18" on the target. So, if you are shooting a deer, elk, steel target, etc., you will need practice framing 18" on your target, but the cam takes care of the rest. No hold-over required.

You simply set the cam to your round's setting, zero and then go shoot something. The unique feature about the scope is that you don't need to know the distance to your target for holdover purposes. As you frame, the cam does its thing, and then you are able to put your crosshairs dead on (windage and elevation not withstanding).

The M1000 is made by Leatherwood/Hi-LuxOptics. There are some videos on YouTube if you search Leatherwood Scopes or Leatherwood M1000.

Another scope released by Leatherwood earlier this year is the CMR. Some users have also made videos and placed them on YouTube as well. Just search for Leatherwood Scope or Leatherwood CMR.

The CMR is a 1-4x with an illuminated BDC reticle.

I've personally used both scopes and can confirm that both concepts work.

Hope this helps.
 
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I just picked one of these up Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 AO...it came in Wed and I've been looking through it for a couple of days now. For $110 shipped to my door this is the best under $200 scope I've looked at. The packing materials state Fully Multi-Coated Optics with a minimum of 90% light transmission and edge-to-edge clarity. My eyes agree...very clear optics for the money. What I like the most is the no BS Lifetime Unlimited Unconditional Warranty Vortex offers...no I don't work for them or SWFA.

For $99-$199 I don't think you find anything close.

Here's a quick pic looking out my kitchen window...

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DTOM1775 - Interesting, thank you! I'm not going to buy it, I was just curious as I'd never heard the name before.
 
Spoke with my SIL yesterday. A Weaver 6.5-20 x 44mm AO 40/44 Riflescope is what he wants and is on it's way. I offered him the option of "kicking in" on his gift to get a better one,but he seems happy with his choice. Sometime in the near future I'll post his opinion of it after some use.
 
Weaver makes good scopes, the 40/44 is the value line but I've wondered how these stack up. If you get a chance to compair glass and shoot the box let us know.
 
you can get a vortex diamondback 4-12x for around 200 bucks, and that linked whitetail is supposed to be pretty good. I've always liked simmons for the money.
 
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