Need help finding info on M1 carbine and 12 guage

[usmcski]

Hey everyone....first off ........MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!
Second....
My wife's grandfather has a......
1)Inland/General Motors M1 carbine . We dont know much about them,the manufacturers or value.It appears to be in excellent condition marked Inland/General Motors on both the reciever and the barrel,has a bayonette lug and supposedly only had about 200 rounds fired through it.I didnt get the serial # but I can get it if it would help determine the value.
My wife's grandfather claimed this is from WWII era...any way to check on this and maybe find out the value?

2)Stevens 12 guage pump riot shotgun.Wood stock,heatshield ,bayonette lug
I didnt get the model # or serial# but can if it would help.Looks to be some sort of military issue.
My wife's grandfather claimed this was carried by NC state troopers back quite some time ago.

3) Remington 12 guage semi .I dont recall much about it other than it struck me as odd because of a wildlife engraving on the reciever(duck scene) and right above the scene stamped "property US Navy" also the barrel near the reciever had the bursting bomb stamped into it and it had some funkey compensator on the end of the barrel ( aproximately 5-6 inches long with maybe 20 slots along the top and bottom of the comp running from side to side)
Grandaddy didnt tell me much on this one.

If anyone could help me identify these firearms and possible values or direct me to somewhere I could find out more info on them it would be appreciated!!

 

[Preacherman]

On the carbine, check one of the military rifles forums such as Battlerifles.com. You could also post a query specific to the carbine in our Rifles forum - some of our members collect them.

On the Stevens and Remington shotguns, post questions in our Shotguns forum. Members there are usually quick to provide what they know.

 

[thatguy]

Sounds like somebody was stealing... er, bringing home momentos.

The Inland Carbine is not rare but collectors snap them up and I would guess one in excellent condition would bring $600-$1,000.

I am not familiar with the shotguns but they sound like military contract guns. Various branches have used shotguns for security and combat. Military collectors might be interested but I don't know how valuable they may be.

 

[musher]

A serial number on the inland carbine would be helpful in determining whether your Grandfather-in-law has an original (not rebuilt) carbine or one that was put through an arsenal rebuild after the war. If you post the sn down to the nearest thousand, barrel markings, and any other markings you can find it will help considerably. Your barrel should include a date as well as the inland marking near the muzzle end. it will look like 11-44 which would stand for November 1944. A barrel date close to the production date for the sn helps to determine whether this is an original receiver-barrel combination.

All contracts for production of M1 carbines were cancelled as the war drew to a close in Mid 1945, so your carbine was certainly produced before then.

The bayonet lug was added to the Inland carbines late in the war starting in late 44 sometime after SN 6,300,000. Other late features included the round bolt, adjustable rear sight, low wood stock, and 4 rivet handguard.

If the carbine predates this, then it went through an arsenal rebuild at some point in its history. If not, then the possibility exists that you're looking at a factory original carbine. Rebuild facilities were supposed to stamp the stock with their facility code, so you can look for markings other than the OI on the stock to help determine if a rebuild happened

If you think it is a possibility that this is a factory original carbine, then you should probably take a look at the manufacturer's code on the rest of the parts. Inland was assigned a code of I which will be the last letter in the manufacturer's code stamped on every part. All the Inland parts will be marked with this. For instance, if you have an inland trigger it will be marked RI (or perhaps RHI or FI). If your grandfather-in-law is willing to break the rifle down as for cleaning, you can get a look at the code on the majority of the parts.

Assuming you don't have any import markings on the carbine and it's in nice condition, my guess at prices is that you're looking at something like $600-$750 for an arsenal rebuilt carbine and north of $1000 for a factory original. You don't mention whether this is the M1A1 (folding stock version). If so, values for an original will be considerably higher.

 

[Gunsnrovers]

It it's WWII, the Stevens should be a 620A or 520A. Essentially same gun. 520 looks like an A5 with the squared off rear of the receiver. Solid shotguns. I have a WWII riot 620 (no heat shield or lug). Wonderful pump gun.

Remington sounds like a M11. Can't tell you a thing about that.

Maritally marked shotguns go for a fair chunk of change.

 

[AZ Jeff]

Others have posted reliable information on the M1 Carbine, so I will comment on the shotgun.

Its sounds like what you have is a Remington Model 11, a licensed copy of the Browning Auto-5. These were made until about 1940, and are considered good solid shotguns. This particular one is probably fitted with a "Cutts" compensator or a copy thereof, designed to lessen recoil. These type of brakes were fairly common on sporting guns in the 1940's and 1950's.

 

[usmcski]

Thanks for all the replies!!!! I know I didnt give much to go on but I will try to get serial numbers or model numbers here in the near future.

I was looking for the remington on the internet and I think the remington may be the m11.
I will have to go back and lok at the stevens to see what the reciever looked like.
Anyone know what the shotguns might be worth?

I will also try to get some pictures....I know one would be worth 1000 words.

 

[Gunsnrovers]

From what I have seen, the riot version of the Stevens can get into the $500 range. Trench guns can be abover $1000~$1500. There are better resources out there, but that's been my experience.

The Stevens are under appreciated and somewhat undervalued versus other military shotguns. Great shotguns that hold up well. I like the take down feature. Makes them very easy to ship, store, clean, etc.

It's not unusual to find military shotguns with engraved receivers and nicely blued finish. Often, these were exactly the same shotgun a civillian could purchase.

 

[usmcski]

More info:

M1 carbine is marked :
Inland Mfg Div ,General Motors, 12-44 on the barrel.
Inland div , 6449XXX on the reciever
There are no markings at all on the stock, it has a bayonett lug,The rear sight is adjustable for elevation as well as windage and it has a push button safety on the front of the trigger guard. I was told that it was military bringback from a pearl harbor survivor.

The Stevens:
Is a model 620 marked US and has the bursting bomb marking. Serial # 257XX

The Remington:
I could not find a model number anywhere!
It has a duck scene engraved on the left of the reciever right above that it stamped "property of US navy"
the right side has a phesant engraving.
This also has the bursting bomb stamped on the barrel...and yes...it is a cutts compensator on the end of the barrel.
the barrel is stamped " remington arms co inc ,ilion ny made in the USA.
Serial # 4582XX

Any info on the values of these firearms would be greatly appreciated!!!

Oh Yeah....the current owner also stated that the above firearms have been in his collection for over 50 years!!!