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need help identifing 38 special us service ctg

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by gmnia, Dec 22, 2012.

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  1. gmnia

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    Can anyone help me out with the year and a possible price for this six shooter I aquired from my dad. number on the butt is 597xx matching under the barrel. Has wood diamond pattern grips.. the only thing I see with this gun is that it has a different front sight from others and it has what appears to be an adjustable rear sight.. Any help would be greatfull
     
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    That gun would be the Smith & Wesson Military and Police Model, Second Model, First Change, also called the Model 1902, First Change. It was probably made in 1904. The caliber is .38 Special, but the U.S. Service Cartridge at the time was the .38 Long Colt and the early M&P's were marked for it also up to c. 1909 when it was superceded as the service cartridge by the .45 caliber Model 1909 cartridge.

    The target sights, if factory, about double the value.

    Any real evaluation, though, will require some good pictures.

    Jim
     
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    You gave a caliber & a partial serial number, you were very lucky to get what you got from Jim. :)

    In future if you discuss the gun with people, CTG is "cartridge", it's not a model number, and it never hurts to include a brand name.
    Denis
     
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    thanks rcmodel, Jim K. and DPris, for the info as you can tell I'm new to this site, I do have some pics but can't get them uploaded, any help.. a little more info..4 in barrel on top it says smith & wesson springfield mass usa pat'd (that I can see) april 8 80, march 27 84, may 21 95, july 16 95, aug 4 96, dec 22 96, oct 4 98, oct x5 01, dec 12 01,
     
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    Posting pics: You have to have a hosting site, THR doesn't have the server space to host pictures. There are a number of free sites. I have a photobucket account. You upload your image to the hosting site, and then put the server's img link in your post.

    Your pistol probably looks something like this one from 1930:
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    Except, you said yours has adjustable sights. And your grips are diamonds, which makes a bit of a difference, too.

    Welcome to the site. Hope you have a good time here.
     
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    thanks sixgunner355
     
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    Nice old gun.
     
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    Early target sights, stocks are correct for period, lacks the made in the USA stamp from the 1920s, I'd say Jim K called it right.
    The lack of original finish and pitting will greatly reduce value with a collector, on the other hand there aren't many from that period with target sights.
    Keep in mind that the gun well and truly predates heat treatment of cylinders & cracked or bulged cylinders are not unknown from that period. I would not use any jacketed, semi jacketed, PlusP or +P+ ammo through it. Stick to standard velocity lead in the 158 grain round nose or target wad cutter loadings.
    This gun predates the hammer block safety used in later S&Ws and if dropped it could fire. Leave the chamber under the hammer empty.
     
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    Over a century old, and I bet it would work exactly as designed with LRN.
     
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    "Posting pics: You have to have a hosting site, THR doesn't have the server space to host pictures."

    Just for the record, that is not true. You can attach a picture to your post. Click on the paper-clip icon ("Attachments"), select the file (244.7k size limit), and upload it. Your file will appear as a thumbnail in the message. Readers can click on the thumbnail to see it full-size.

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