need help identifying a pistol

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My friend inherited this pistol. It looks to me like a Browning 1910 or 1922, but the writing on the left side says "Deutschewerke Werkerfurt" and the right side says "Ortgies' Patent". The medallion on the grip is a fancy "D". The serial number says "1467xx" over "Germany" in front of the trigger guard underneath. The caliber is 7.65mm (.32).

Anyone know what this is? Is it just a German copy of the Browning 1910? It sure has an awkward grip safety - which is apparently the only safety and some strange arrangement for the button to release the grip safety once depressed.

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It's an Ortgies auto pistol, and was one of Germany's higher quality pocket autos.
The Ortgies was a finely finished pistol, with a very well finished interior.
The Ortgies was made from around 1919 up into the mid 1920's.

These were made in .25, .32, and .380.
The earlier guns were made by Ortgies & Co, in Erfurt, after 1921 they were made by Deutsche Werke.

The early grips had a stylized "O H" logo for Heinrich Ortgies, later guns had a logo that was a mythical animal that formed the letter "D".

Very late models also had an extra safety lever.

The Ortgies was very heavily imported into South America and the US in the post-war years, and was a popular pistol in it's day.
Unable to compete with the small Colt autos in America, and the Walther and Mauser in Germany, Ortgies folded.

It was famous for using no screws in it's design, and for being the most difficult pistol in the world to reassemble, UNLESS you know the "secret".

The unusual grip safety has a button that when pressed, allows the grip safety to spring out putting the gun on safe.
When depressed, the safety will allow the gun to fire.
To reapply the safety, the button is again pushed.
Another unusual feature is the firing pin acts as the ejector.

Disassembly isn't difficult, but reassembly IS.
To disassemble, remove the magazine.
Pull the slide back until the rear of the slide serrations line up with the rear of the frame.
Press in on the grip safety and lift the rear end of the slide up, then push it forward and off the frame.

The striker and spring are dropped out of the slide.

The barrel can be removed by twisting it counterclockwise to unlock it from the frame, but it's better left in place.

The grips can be removed by reaching inside the magazine well with a screwdriver and pressing the grip latch in the rear of the magazine well.
CAUTION: The grips are fragile and break easily. Unless necessary, leave them in place.

To reassemble:
The gun CANNOT be reassembled unless you know the "secret" which is to turn the striker into a small cut on the slide.

Put the barrel back in place, and be sure it's properly aligned with the frame.

Replace the recoil spring over the barrel.

Put the striker and spring in place in the slide, then push forward and turn the lug on the striker into the tiny cut in the slide.
Hold a cloth over the rear of the slide, since the tinniest bump will jar the assembly loose and it will shoot out with great force.

VERY carefully insert the front of the slide over the barrel, pull it back and press down until it locks onto the frame.
 
Wow - thanks, dfariswheel!!

I can't decide whether to try disassembling it just to see if I can do it! My friend might be peeved if I can't get it back together.
 
...peeved if I can't get it back together.

Lesson learned as a teen-ager with my Rem Nylon 66...NEVER take anything apart you are not sure that you can re-assemble. :banghead:

Local gunsmith made a fortune assembling the "grocery bag 66's" ***



***Nylon 66 taken apart by owner, then taken to gunsmith in a grocery bag or 2, because said owner could not re-assemble {like ME!!!!} :banghead:


p.s. Great looking handgun. Nice to see some interesting and unusual firearms from a centruy or so back.
 
In my beginning days as a gunsmith, I was always amazed at the intelligence and dexterity of the children in this area. I have no idea how many guys came in with guns in bags or boxes and told me their kid took the gun apart.

In some cases, I knew the kid was only 4 or 5, and I certainly could understand how the young folks couldn't get the gun back together, but always thought it amazing that they were able to get it apart.

Jim
 
While this one (Ortgies ) is a bit on the intelectual side to reassemble, it's a lot like the Ruger M II, once you understand it, it is much easier.


Now for the novice, the Astra 400/600 is much more entertaining, as the first step is "clear out a small closet so only you,the Astra, a lightbulb, a locked door and a flashlight are present..." (you will need the flashlight when the recoil spring wich has been waiting since 1921 to escape, bounces off of 4-9 flat surfaces, and removes the lightbulb while continuing to [aparently] accelerate. Headgear and padding advised) :D
 
oneslowgun speaks truly! Bought a beautiful Astra 600 in a pawn shop when I was a youngster for the then-princely sum of $25.

It cost me somewhat more to replace the Delft figurine of my mother's that I broke field stripping it for the first time at the dining room table :eek:
 
ID Ortgies Pistol

Hi, I also have a .32 cal. Ortgies. It will empty the clip in a flash. My Dad brought this weapon back with him after WWII. He also brought a German Paratrooper knife. There is a holster, but I don't think it was made for this gun. All of it is in great condition. I am currently in the process of putting these things and others in shadow boxes to preserve them and make them easier to display. I have disassembled the pistol for cleaning, it is not hard. If you have questions I'd be happy to try to help!
 
Just came across one today. It was "jammed" and it took me only a few moments before I was able to remove the slide. The firing pin had been incorrectly inserted into the barrel. I used a letter opener to lift it out. I'm going to find a parts diagram and figure out what is missing. I'm sure there was a spring that some sort of retainer that hooked onto the firing pin.
 
Thanks dfariswheel. It's the firing pin spring and firing pin spring guide that are missing from the gun.

The gun is rather unique with its swiveling lock-up for the barrel. It would be far too costly to machine that design today (unless it's investment casted).
 
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