Need help selecting film about war for 9/10th grade HS students

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The 9th and 9th repeat (failed 9th first time around) students in my English classes have been working on a unit on War narratives (o'brien) and poetry (o'brien, billy collins).

I'd like to show them a film that helps them put visual evidence to textual evidence. so far I have showed them clips from vietnam war footage, and clips from 9/11 (which is what collins wrote about).

reflexively I was going to show Full Metal Jacket, but then I thought about it further - I personally want my students to understand more than the usual knee-jerk "war is hell" message that is often espoused but seldom understood. perhaps this might be the best film - but as someone whose experince with the military was fleeting, I'd like to ask the veterans and historians here which film THEY would choose to show the next generation if they were given a choice.

here is a little information about my studnets: these are all kids from one of the poorest parts of California, in central Los Angeles. The population is 98% hispanic - mexican, guatemalan, el salvadoran. the latter two are products of the civil wars in those countries during the 1980s. they are all intervention students, meaning that their files indicate a very high likelihood of dropping out by the 10th grade. my job is to give them the skills and motivation necessary to prevent that from happening.

parent slips will be collected for the film, so R ratings will not be a problem as long as it can be justified.
 
If you could've gotten away with FMJ, I recommend "Band of Brothers."
I hear a history teacher (and Vietnam vet) back at my old HS in Michigan has taken to showing that to the Juniors.
 
No military experience on my part but FWIW a Nam vet I know once told me that in his opinion the best war movie he'd seen was Hamburger Hill.

I like SPR despite the tech errors...

JR
 
My dad is a big fan of "Flags of our Fathers". "Gods and Generals" is amazing but I think it is about four hours long. He thought "Black Hawk Down" was just a reenactment more than a movie with a plot, take that as you will.
 
Stalingrad - the only problem is that it's in German, otherwise an excellent movie.

Das Boot - there's a version that's dubbed, but I prefer the German one.

Cross of Iron - a classic by Sam Peckinpah. It has James Coburn in it.

The Beast - About a T-62 and crew in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation.

Stalingrad and Cross of Iron send a definite message.
 
Band of brothers.Shown in schools in the UK.
A few more:
The Battle of Britain.
The Dam Busters.
A Bridge To Far.
The Longest Day.
Dunkirk.
Waterloo.
 
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Why Vietnam?

And some "war" movies aren't war movies - Apocalypse Now, FMJ and Thin Red Line really aren't...

Band of Brothers would be nice, but is WAY too long. The Longest Day might be a good choice. If you do show them Band of Brothers, I'd use the reel that concentrates on the medic...
 
Stalingrad. About the best war movie ever made. There is a dubbed version that is so so into English and I think a dub into Spanish too, but it is best in the original German and Russian that it was filmed in.

All Quiet On The Western Front is one of my favourites and a classic.

Letters From Iwo Jima was rather good. I actually perferred it to Flags Of Our Fathers a little more, though both movies are tied to one another, even if the actors are all different between the movies.

The Longest Day. It is a really long movie, but considered one of the definative WW2 films.

Lawrence of Arabia. Another classic that shows guerilla warfare and alsorts of stuff.

Full Metal Jacket. Another one of Kubrick's analysis of America, this time set to the Vietnam war. Incidently it was mostly filmed on an English housing estate of all places. Could also do Apocalypse Now. Both are considered definative Vietnam movies.

Oh and can't forget about Gallipoli either.
 
The only war movie we watched in school was Glory. There is alot of great poetry that came out of the Civil War and you may have an easier time getting it approved.
 
I would suggest Saving Private Ryan. Most realistic scene I've seen there in a beginning.
 
Saving Private Ryan. Though some of the technical stuff is off, it is high with emotion.

Big Red One and Glory are a couple others to consider. Band of Brothers, if time permits. A Bridge Too Far. There are a lot of good ones out there.
 
From an Old Fart

All Quiet on the Western Front
Das Boot (In German, you don't need any subtitles to understand what's being said; it's trascendent)
Blackhawk Down

I'm a combat vet & old fart. I have trouble sleeping after seeing any of these (that's why I stopped viewing them). They're the real deal.
Nations go to war.
Men go into combat.
 
I'll see your Glory and The Longest Day, and raise you Roughriders...

I'd also stay away from 'soldiers are psychos' type movies like Platoon and Full Metal Jacket...
 
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It's not a traditional "war" movie, but "The Last Castle" is an interesting one. Even if not for the students, I suggest you watch it on your own time.
 
"The Great Raid" with Benjamin Bratt and James Franco comes to mind, in addition to some of the others mentioned.
 
With Band of Brothers you can just show one installment if needed. For example the Bastogne one is great. They have one for Oper. Market Garden, the 86th Airborne landing behind the beaches, and discovery of the concentration camps - very powerful scenes in that one.
 
If the goal is to show the emotional and personal aspects of war instead of focusing on a political statement or showing violence for entertainment's sake,I don't think you can do better than Das Boot.Will it keep your class' interest is the question as they might wonder how they could relate to German sailors in ~1941.
FMJ would be a bad call as I don't think they'd understand the social and political nuances of it in the same way that younger kids don't understand the satire of South Park and it becomes low brow entertainment and the social element of it is lost.
SPR would be good as would Letters From Iwo Jima,perhaps show both it and Flags of Our Fathers.Cross of Iron is excellent too.
 
I think it's amazing that you're taking this much effort and care to find a good movie for your kids.

It's a great subject, too. War movies, where to start:

Twelve O'Clock High - pinnacle war move for me. It's really a beautiful film. For traditional "war" move, it's easily my pick.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041996/

One Upon a Midnight Clear - not your usually war move. If you want to go nontraditional, i cannot recommended this movie enough!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102443/

While I think it would be amazing to show your kids Band of Brothers, I don't think it would be feasible ( I have a history degree from the University of New Orleans, and I had a class taught by Steven Ambrose), and my guess is that most of your kids have already seen Saving Private Ryan, so I would go with something that they would likely not see outside of your class.


Forgot: If you want to go for the more documentary approach, I think your kids would be better people after seeing Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam. Show's how normal "kids" can become poets when put into extraordinary circumstances.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092851/
 
not a veteran or historian.

i would ask what it is you are trying to accomplish. many of the suggested movies are quite long, and would require a lot of class periods to show.

if the kids do not speak and understand english very well, a lot of it will just be noise to them.

maybe show them 2 different movies about the same event, so they can contrast them. the band of brothers segment about bastogne versus "battle of the bulge", for instance.
 
To Hell And Back. Not just about Audie Murphy, also starring Audie Murphy. Very stylized but still very good.

Have them read the book for perspective and to get a less "Hollywood-ized" story out of it.

Brad
 
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