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I'm relatively new to Guns and need your help in choosing a Shotgun. I'm looking to get a Remington 870 12 Gauge Youth Stock for Home defense. What I need to know is what Model number or numbers should I be looking for? Where's the best place to search? What can I expect to pay for a brand new one. Thanks, tiggerbaby
 
I use a Marine Mag 870 and am happy with it. It's got the full stock and the short barrel 18 inches assisted by the mag extension for the three inch shells.

Wife has the youth stock moss 500 Bantam with the 22 inch accu choke barrel.
 
remington 870 express. i had an 18" barrel with 7 shot capacity and loved it. cleaned it once and has yet to malfunction. love it and the price tag it came with. that being said, my buddy has a mossberg 500 walmart special that works just fine and would probably save you a couple bucks. so I'd start at walmart or my personal favorite, gunbroker.com

good luck, and let us know what you get!
 

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If you like jamming I'd recommend the 870 express.
Read the other threads for more info.

Honestly, if I was in the market for a pump shotgun the 3 I'd look at would be the Benelli Nova, Browning BPS, and the Winchester 1300. That's just my personal opinion. I know a lot of guys like Mossberg and I've never had one so can't comment just never been crazy about them. I have had Remington's though and had many of the problems others have also had. I do not think I'd recommend one.
 
Id have to go along with King Ghidora. You should at least look at the NEF pardner pump.

I mean set one side by side with an Express or Mossberg, and just be honest with yourself.
 
Yea they do get recommended then the guys like me buy one. You then seea new thread pop up shortly after with that guy having problems with his. You see a post a few years later about has his is rusting or the finish is looking horrible. I don't know if the old ones were better but the new ones are no where near the quality a $350 gun should be. I also know a lot of guys recommend 870's and don't specify that their experience was with a Wingmaster which is of much better quality. I had one buddy that had a 870 express and he did have good luck and really liked it. He is why I bought one but I didn't have that luck and from looking online not many others did either.
 
To be honest I've never personally seen one rust but have seen reports of them rusting. I will say after 2 years or so the one I had looked like crap. The finish had worn off the wood in several spots. I've never seen a gun that has had the finish come off of the wood this easily. As for the super magnum not feeding 2.75" shells that's what mine was. It only stuck with 2.75" shells but jammed quite often with 3" and 3.5" shells. It was just random jams with those like I've said not sticking. I just have never seen a $350 gun need all this work out of the box. Lets be honest here that's not cheap. It's not super high end but not cheap either. He can buy whatever he wants I just don't want him to be upset when he buys it and it jams. As you can see many others recently on this forum have been dealing with these issues too. If it's just the super magnums that have issues they should still either fix the issues or quit making them. It's still their fault for selling crap. Mine liked 2.75" Federal shells though from Wallyworld. Never jammed with those before or after polishing it but it jammed with the Winchesters before polishing the chamber. Should I have to spend $50-70 for 100 shells so they work with the gun? Not imo when other companies guns shoot anything fine including the 100 packs for $22 at Wal Mart.
 
i haven't done the proper leg work to know if remingotn has changed how they make their shotguns and now they have all these jammers (which realistically i imagine is few out of the thousands i'm sure they sell), so I'm going to leave that to one of the other rant threads, but for this one i have to reiterate.

i bought my remington brand new (three years ago, new picture posted above), cleaned the packing goo off of it (just what i could see, didn't disassemble) and have yet to make it jam, no matter what kind of ammo i fed it (slugs, buck, walmart bulk) or temp (102F to -10F) i shot it at and havent cleaned it since without issue. solid as a rock. good luck, and now you HAVE to let us know what you get and how it goes:)
 
Do not be fooled by others claiming the 870's problems, nor by those encouraging you to change your mind and buy shotguns that are twice as much in price.

The man has his mind made up to buy what is in fact one of the most proven, tried-and-true actions in shotgun history. Millions have been manufactured.

Now for those claiming rust problems, jamming or feeding problems -- they are either because of neglect or frequent use on traps or sporting, etc. I've seen and heard of these cases as well (especially the extractor problems) but these are only on very heavily used and neglected weapons.

BUT THE MAN SAID HE WANTED IT FOR HOME DEFENSE...not everyday use! For home defense it is ideal.

Yes, if you want it to have maintenance problems then shoot it every weekend. If you want it to rust, don't clean or oil it after shooting and then let it sit in your basement. I personally have never had a weapon rust so I don't know what these others are talking about.

However, if you want a home defense weapon that you will practice with only occasionally, then buy the 870. I paid about $200 for mine at Wal Mart years ago and I believe they are still a very attractive price (but not a cheap gun) when compared to the Benellis. Another attractive feature of the 870 is the amount of accesories available to it should you choose to fit it with lights, stock, forends, bayonet (unlikely), oversized safeties or heat shield (I wouldn't do it, but believe it or not it's out there)

A couple of times a year I take it to an indoor range with my wife to make sure she is still comfortable with the weapon. I recently put a rail on it with a 200-lumen light as anything that it was designed for will most certainly be proven (1) in the dark, (2) in my house, (3) while I am descending my staircase in the middle of the night. That is it's sole purpose and it rests in its accessible location for most of the year, un-rusted and waiting.

You and your family will sleep well at night with the 870 provided you do not turn your home defense unit into a sporting gun. If you want to do that, then I agree you should take a step up in price and brand. Otherwise, you have 99.99% reliability in a proven stopper-go-to weapon without breaking your bank on overhyped marketing.
 
I own an 870 express. No problems. I only slightly prefer my two Mossberg 500s in that price range. It's just a "feel" thing.

Les
 
Now for those claiming rust problems, jamming or feeding problems -- they are either because of neglect or frequent use on traps or sporting, etc. I've seen and heard of these cases as well (especially the extractor problems) but these are only on very heavily used and neglected weapons.

BS

The rag on the left is from 2 wipedowns 4 weeks apart. The rag on the right is where I wiped it down 20 minutes ago after reading this thread. (3 weeks since the last wipedown.) This gun has about 200 rounds through it and sits behind my bedroom door 24/7. (no basement) It has not been shot since Oct. of last year. Is this the kind of finish I should expect out of a $300 dollar shotgun? My old 500 never had this problem and it was about half that price. Heck, my cheap Hi-Point 995 doesn't even have this problem.:cuss:
 

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Do not be fooled by others claiming the 870's problems, nor by those encouraging you to change your mind and buy shotguns that are twice as much in price.

The man has his mind made up to buy what is in fact one of the most proven, tried-and-true actions in shotgun history. Millions have been manufactured.

Now for those claiming rust problems, jamming or feeding problems -- they are either because of neglect or frequent use on traps or sporting, etc. I've seen and heard of these cases as well (especially the extractor problems) but these are only on very heavily used and neglected weapons.

BUT THE MAN SAID HE WANTED IT FOR HOME DEFENSE...not everyday use! For home defense it is ideal.

Yes, if you want it to have maintenance problems then shoot it every weekend. If you want it to rust, don't clean or oil it after shooting and then let it sit in your basement. I personally have never had a weapon rust so I don't know what these others are talking about.

However, if you want a home defense weapon that you will practice with only occasionally, then buy the 870. I paid about $200 for mine at Wal Mart years ago and I believe they are still a very attractive price (but not a cheap gun) when compared to the Benellis. Another attractive feature of the 870 is the amount of accesories available to it should you choose to fit it with lights, stock, forends, bayonet (unlikely), oversized safeties or heat shield (I wouldn't do it, but believe it or not it's out there)

A couple of times a year I take it to an indoor range with my wife to make sure she is still comfortable with the weapon. I recently put a rail on it with a 200-lumen light as anything that it was designed for will most certainly be proven (1) in the dark, (2) in my house, (3) while I am descending my staircase in the middle of the night. That is it's sole purpose and it rests in its accessible location for most of the year, un-rusted and waiting.

You and your family will sleep well at night with the 870 provided you do not turn your home defense unit into a sporting gun. If you want to do that, then I agree you should take a step up in price and brand. Otherwise, you have 99.99% reliability in a proven stopper-go-to weapon without breaking your bank on overhyped marketing.

There is soo much bs in this post I don't know where to start.

First off my Remington 870 I had was brand new in the box when I got it. It has had problems since it was new with jamming. As in not heavily used. Right out of the box it's had problems and it did not break in. That's another thing wrong with your post. If you read the posts of even most the guys that like these guys you will see how they all say the gun works better after you shoot a few hundred rounds through it to break it in.

Mine didn't work well when it was new nor did it work well when it had a few hundred rounds through it. I really wanted to like that gun but I couldn't. It just wasn't much to like about it. After 2 years I didn't have any rust and to be honest I think you are right. I don't think you will have much rust if you take care of it and keep it oiled although on some of these you may. However, after those 2 years I did have the finish on the stock worn off in quite a few spots where you could tell it was super thin.

The next thing here is you are saying the ones that get used jam but the ones that just sit in the house for home defense don't jam? What happens if he gets one like mine that jammed right out of the box? If he doesn't shoot it any and is in a situation where he needs it for home defense guess what? If it jams he is basically screwed and would have been just as well off to have a rock. You need to shoot and get used to any gun you will use for home defense. If it was me personally if the gun wasn't reliable enough to shoot skeet with it would for sure not be reliable enough to be my home defense weapon. I want to be 100% sure it will go bang every time and not jam if I'm using it to defend my or my families life. Not hope that it will because I barely used it.

The ideal home defense gun is one that doesn't jam no matter if you use it for skeet shooting too or not.

As for accessories no argument there as there are a ton for the 870's.

As for it being a 99.9% reliable gun you just said above it wasn't if you used it for skeet shooting or basically anything other than let it sit in the closet or safe.

I do not see how anyone can say this is a 99.9% reliable gun. Look at how many people have issues. No where near 99.9% of these are reliable.

To be honest I think there are probably worse guns out there than this I just can't say I think this is a good gun. There seem to be much better options out there for not that much much. Like the Benelli Nova and I've even heard a lot of better things about the Mossbergs although I've never had one or been a huge fan. They are even cheaper and I hardly ever hear a complaint about them. It used to be this way about 870's but now it's not at all uncommon for me to hear complaints.

The 870 isn't a horrible gun it's just not a very good one either and there are great ones for around the same price range.

If you are skeet shooting and it jams oh well. You miss a skeet. If that's all you want to do with it it's fine I guess. However, if you want to hunt with it it's annoying if you miss a shot due to it jamming or shoot something and it gets away injured because you don't have a second shot to take it down.

The same for home defense it's not okay for a hd gun to jam so it's not a good choice for that either imo.
 
Yeah to be honest I'd give a Wingmaster a try personally. I don't know that I'd want to try a express again but I'd try a wingmaster as I haven't heard bad things about them. I'd still pick the other guns I listed first but if I was dead set on a Remington it would be a wingmaster or a 1100 or something like that. It wouldn't be a 870 express.

I still like I said would pick the other guns first just due to my experience with several Remington products having a lack of quality.
 
Im mighty disappointed with those who think the 870 may have issues. But no matter.

Just today I rotated ammuntion through both shotguns and everything functioned normally and it sits ready and waiting with a little wipe down.
 
Gee whiz, how can I answer Hometheater satisfactorily? If you had "jams right out of the box," did you return it to Remington? Why would you keep that? What kind of "jam" did you have? Can you be more specific? Was it the ammo used, extractor action, case stuck, action simply locked up, lack of lubrication...what? What was the diagnosis or problem you finally identified?

If you say it's bs that no gun is 99.9% reliable then why would anyone spend additional money on the other models recommended over the 870? Let me get this straight -- no gun is 99.9% reliable but the Benelli Nova is 100% reliable. Wow, how can I win that argument.

Let's be truthful: well kept weapons that are defect free, maintained, and tested periodically have a very very good chance of going bang when called upon to do so -- weather it be a much reviled Charter Arms brand, a Nagant revolver or a Benelli Nova.

This guy has done research into home defense models for that specific purpose and has seen/heard enough evidence to achieve for the 870 to achieve a comfort level with his choice. It's so classic that all the experts chime in to tell him he's made the wrong choice because of their isolated incidents with manufacturing defects they chose not to address immediately or a finish wearing off.

The finish...are you kidding me? All finishes wear off with use -- that's why collector's refer to the NRA rating system to correlate value appropriately.

To end I guess I'm sorry your finish is worn off, it's dirty and your weapon jams. Knowing all that, I would still not want to walk through anyone's door at night un-announced if they had a magazine-ready 870 ready to rack. It seems most on here agree with me.
 
I've had an 870 for 15 years or so. I used mine for hunting mostly and couldn't tell you how many animals that fell to it. I would trust it as much as any shotgun I've ever owned. Things could have changed on them but mine is a keeper.
 
Gee whiz, how can I answer Hometheater satisfactorily? If you had "jams right out of the box," did you return it to Remington? Why would you keep that? What kind of "jam" did you have? Can you be more specific? Was it the ammo used, extractor action, case stuck, action simply locked up, lack of lubrication...what? What was the diagnosis or problem you finally identified?

If you say it's bs that no gun is 99.9% reliable then why would anyone spend additional money on the other models recommended over the 870? Let me get this straight -- no gun is 99.9% reliable but the Benelli Nova is 100% reliable. Wow, how can I win that argument.

Let's be truthful: well kept weapons that are defect free, maintained, and tested periodically have a very very good chance of going bang when called upon to do so -- weather it be a much reviled Charter Arms brand, a Nagant revolver or a Benelli Nova.

This guy has done research into home defense models for that specific purpose and has seen/heard enough evidence to achieve for the 870 to achieve a comfort level with his choice. It's so classic that all the experts chime in to tell him he's made the wrong choice because of their isolated incidents with manufacturing defects they chose not to address immediately or a finish wearing off.

The finish...are you kidding me? All finishes wear off with use -- that's why collector's refer to the NRA rating system to correlate value appropriately.

To end I guess I'm sorry your finish is worn off, it's dirty and your weapon jams. Knowing all that, I would still not want to walk through anyone's door at night un-announced if they had a magazine-ready 870 ready to rack. It seems most on here agree with me.[\quote]I had it locking the pump up with some 2.75" shells as said above. I later found out that it was that the chamber needed polishing so that got fixed. The issue with it jamming on 3" and 3.5" shells was just random. If you got it to jame less than 2 or 3 times out of 20 shots you were lucky. It would be random stuff though. I had it not grab the old shell to pull it out some. So ofcourse the next shell couldn't go in causing a jam. I had it stovepipe some. Basically anything random it could have done it did. As for sending it off to Remington you are right that's what I should have done and it was my fault for not doing it. Instead I took it back to the gunshop it came from. This was after I had a shell explode inside the chamber. Luckily no one got hurt. I got mixed opinions on if it was the shell or the gun. It was a Remington shell too. The gun shop thought that it was that the pump wasn't all they way closed when it went off but they didn't really know. It was not supposed to go off if it's not all the way forward so that still leads to a problem with the gun. I told them of the other problems too. They had their gunsmith check it out and he said he couldn't find anything wrong except it was a little dirty but he didn't seem to think it was horrible. I wonder why a shell just came apart inside of it. I never did anything after the gunsmith couldn't find a problem but I should have sent it to Remington then but I let it go. I later found out online the chamber needed polishing and that did fix the sticking with the 2.75" shells. As for no guns being 100% reliable I guess you are right about that. However, there are several a lot more reliable than the 870s unless I just got a bad one. I thought that was the case for a while but after seeing soo many other reports I don't think it is. As for you maintaining them I'm more particular about maintence on most anything than most people are so lack of maintence isn't a problem for me. As for the finish I just have dealt with this Remington amuzzle loader although it was made by Traditions for Remington and they both have had a very lousy finish. I've never seen a Browning or Benelli with a finish that wears off super easy like this. Like I said I want to like Remington but their products just keep letting me down. BTW just wondering what made you register just for this?
 
If you want a 870 or he does not a problem as I don't care I was just warning him of problems I had and others are posting up they have had. I honestly don't care who buys what as long as they are happy with it. It's great if you like the 870s. It all seems to be a persnal preference as to what everyone likes.
 
hometheaterman - I had you problem with mine. the polishing took care of it. This is only #2 870 I have owned since I was 14. I am 42 now. I also would like to say that last weekend when out shooting with some friends, one of which has his opinion of Remington as you do, one that feels the same way about Mossbergs...and one that says Hipoints should not be made. Well, KARMA hit with a vengence...My Hipoint fired everytime, approx 50 rounds, his Glock jammed so bad he got to fire 2 rounds:what: Then he felt he, and the other would show us how a 12ga should work, One has a Binelli Nova , the othe Browning Cynergy...and the had Jams using Federal Ammo, cuz they said the 100 count box of Winchester I picked up at walmart was junk. They other 3 that were shooting 870's had no issues...
Shotguns are like pickup trucks...evryone has their favorite and the rest are junk. Opinions are like bellybuttons....everyone has one!
 
One thing is evident; different people have vastly different experiences and opinions on Remington 870 Expresses.
I have only had one years ago, and I had no issues at all except I just could never warm up to a flat finish. The chamber was smooth, no jams, and it didn't rust.
I am not saying yours didn't do either one. But, I don't care that yours did it either.
If it was mine, I would have fixed it. I have enough experience that the possibility of getting an 870 with a somewhat rough chamber would not deter me if I wanted a very good cheap gun, because I know it can be fixed easily, and I know how. Ditto with the finish issue.
If either issue is insurmountable to you, then either don't get one or sell the darn thing. I really don't see where there is anything to argue about.
 
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