Need Help with slow fire

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lil ski

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After shooting bullseye for a little over 10 years now I think I have hit a wall on scores. My timed and rapid scores are right where I want them (98 and 97) but my slow fire is not so good (89) I would like to get it up into the 90s does any one have any ideas to get me over the hump.

Mike
 
During the SF stage, if you're in position and the shot doesn't break in about 3 to 4 seconds, put the pistol back down and start over. My big error is holding it too long and when the shot breaks, the gun is moving because of fatigue.
 
We're talking rimfire, right?

You and I are almost opposite in this. If I shoot less than a 94 slow fire set, I'm not on my game. From previous threads, you know that I've been working hard on my timed/rapid with some success. You have been helpful in the past. Even though we have not agree'd on everything, I do respect your BE experience. I hope I can help this time.

First, I must ask if your timed/rapid scores are 10's or X's? There's a guy at our club that shoots quite well, when he shoots faster. Take your good 98's and overlay a slow fire target. Is that better than your normal slow fire score? Now, I'm not saying to shoot slowfire all in 10 second strings of five, but you might adjust your shooting speed.

Is your first slow fire shot most often, a 'Ten'?

I got into a problem earlier this season where after the first shot, I was holding too long for subsequent shots in slow fire and my scores showed it. I've watched other shooters in SF and see this all too often.

-And I'm going to introduce a new name to old disputed term. Followthrough. I call it 'After Hold'. Many people write/discuss this for Timed/Rapid, but I don't think we emphasize it enough for slow fire. Earlier this season I felt that I was anticipating trigger disconnect. (Shooting the same pistol for the last four years for thousands of rounds, I know this trigger pretty darn well) While there was not a noticable flinch when people watched me, I think that's what I was doing. So, forcing myself to hold, even after firing, seems to have reduced my movement, pre-fire. All this in a routine where I set the pistol on the bench after the shot, re-grasp and approach the next shot as if I still had a clean target. I know, opposite of what I suggested about you shooting faster SF.

I used to shoot SF in about five minutes. Now, I'm right at nine minutes. Every time, I position my feet, breath, close eyes with head tilted toward the floor, grasp, inhale, turn, exhale, lift -canting wrist for muzzle down, raise and lock wrist as I aquire the dot in the ten ring. I shoot a smaller dot than most. I do not cover the black edge to edge, but rather put a 2moa dot in the middle of the black. I know for a fact, that I shoot better with a smaller dot. In fact, I shoot better at a smaller black. Cover the 7, 8, 9 rings with target color beige. Now, just shoot at the black of that 10 ring. I did a bit of this last season and I think that helped my scores. I have not shot a 100 slow fire yet, but I have shot a few 99's.

If you use a spotting scope, Remember the mental game you need to play with yourself. (There are multiple players in my game, and I have to watch one of them to make sure he's not cheating!:) Don't let that last eight bother you. :banghead: If it does, try shooting without looking in your scope. Some of my highest SF scores have been when I've done that.

Sunday, my first SF magazine was all tens. I knew it after each shot. I looked in the scope as I slid another mag home. One more ten. Then a seven and three eights. A bloody seven! Now, shooting tens and eights out of order is one thing, but shooting six in the middle, then going down hill from there has to be my brain-matter getting all worked up about the possibility of shooting a perfect target. :cuss:

Another thing I've been working on is blocking out all distractions during slowfire. This is sometimes difficult when taking almost the ten minutes. Other shooters finish at different rates and mill around or start talking. Either make them be respective of your shooting, or find a way to block them out. I'm working on staying in 'My Zone' rather than getting into a pi$$ing contest with fellow shooters that might not be taking BE quite as seriously.

One more thing I've incorporated. Visualizing the dot in the middle of the black when I've got my eyes closed 'pre-shot'.

Remember, only change one thing at a time. Work with it, but if you don't see improvement, go back to what you know works, establish your base again, then make a different change. Analyze those results.

-Steve
 
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Almost forgot!

No caffiene the day I shoot. No sodapop. No coffee. Nothing with excess sugar.

Water. I am well hydrated before I shoot.

I don't live by this, but I'm trying.

No nicotine.

-Steve
 
I do most of the the stuff you both suggest. Steve I do get my share of Xs in timed and rapid on Monday I shot a 98 and 5x in timed and a 97 and 4x in rapid. One thing i did notice on Monday was I swiched to a new batch of CCI standerd vol. I ran out of the the batch I have been shooting for almost a year. I shot the old batch in slow fire and the new batch in timed and rapid. It seemed to me my groups got tighter maybe it was just me or this batch is a little bit better I'll find out this weekend when I go to practice. Thank for the advice guys.
 
Recently when I train in .22, I start by shooting 10 10's in slowfire. However many shots that takes, thats what I shoot.

That puts my focus on shooting a 10 every time.
 
I will have to try that Bill. I only have 3 weeks to get ready for the NRA sectional in my area and I would like to do better than the past few years. (last year I had a bad cold and the year before my gun malfunctioned.) So I need to change my luck this year.
 
Jack I have to ask if "not having caffeine or smoking or excess sugar." this usually causes withdrawls on a slight enough scale, but can affect shooting. Blitz
 
Bdutton wrote: "Recently when I train in .22, I start by shooting 10 10's in slowfire. However many shots that takes, thats what I shoot."

This is a practice used widely. From the:

"U.S. MARINE CORPS PISTOL TEAM
*MODIFIED* PROGRAM WORKBOOK

.22 CALIBER PISTOL: SLOW FIRE GROUP SHOOTING

PURPOSE: OBTAIN A 25 YD ZERO. CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE MARKSMANSHIP PRINCIPLES.

TASK DESCRIPTION: FIRE AT 25 YARDS ON A SMALL TRAINING TARGET, NO TIME LIMIT. FIRE 10 SHOTS AND OBSERVE GROUP, CONTINUE TO FIRE 5 RD STRINGS UNTIL 10 HITS ARE ACCUMULATED IN THE BLACK OF THE TRAINING TARGET. REPAIR WITH ANOTHER TRAINING TARGET AND REPEAT UNTIL DIFFICULTY LEVEL IS MASTERED.
"

If you're shooting a good share of X's then without watchin you shoot, I would think that you could be holding too long, since the X is nearly 10 ring on a slow fire target.

From the fifty foot line, good target ammunition shouldn't vary much in a quality pistol, but there are differences. We've done some sand bag and even ransom rest testing with quality offerings and have found 1/4"+ group variations. That could be the difference between an eight or a nine. At 25yds those groups open up quite a bit. I've shot some of that blue box and green tag, and honestly I was not impressed. But that's my pistol. I've found that Aguila Pistol Match is great in my gun. (So is the Rifle Match). WinT22 also. CMP offers bulk rimfire ammo. (Same as the Aguila I hear) You might try some of that in the off-season.

-Steve
 
BLITZ, I'm no doktor... I suppose that for some heavy coffee drinkers and two pack-a-day smokers, Not having those vises before shooting surely could lead to minor physical abnormalities, Heck, I know my body pretty well. Not diabetic, but I can pretty much tell when my blood sugar level is out'a wack, (LOW is not good for my shooting or demeanor). Anyone I know that smokes and injests large amounts of caffiene all day long, Isn't a good shooter anyway. I suppose there are a few, but I would think that if they quit those nasty habbits, they would be an even better shot.

Am I a saint? NO! I like my Pepsi. I have a couple nearly every day. (usually a couple beers every evening too) I have virtually cut out coffee -long ago. Do I smoke? On and off. Bad for me, I know. But I have learned that smoking right before I shoot is not good for my SF scores.

Stress can really affect my shooting too.

My approach: Shoot more. Reduces stress.

-Steve

PS.. Bill, You're active on the BullseyeList?
 
Jack:

Yes... I am active on the BE list. I post as Bill Dutton... when I feel like it.

I've been to the zins clinic. Andy Moody ised a steady coffee drinker and smoker. He still holds the record for SF and he did it smoking between shots.

I'm not suggesting you do that but what you should not do is break your routine. When you get out of a routine, you introduce stress.

If you wan to cut down on smoking or caffeine, then do it outside of the shooting environment first.
 
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