Need identification help on a pair of .22 rifles.

['Card]

I come seeking assistance from the THR gun-gurus.

I need to identify this pair of .22 rifles, and would greatly appreciate any information anyone can offer on either one of them.

Stamp on left side of the buttstock is a round seal with the text SAd.NASDP.
On the left side of the reciever is stamped K.K. Wehrsportgewehr.
A capital 'G' symbol is stamped on top of the chamber, and text underneath it says Gustloff-Werke / Waffenwerk-Suhl.
On the left side of the barrel is stamped KAL.22 LANG FUR BUCHSEN.
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Next up is this weird little critter:

Very little text on this one at all. On the right side of that weird little chamber mechanism is stamped CAL.22-S-L-LR, and there's a serial number (B33XXX) stamped on the bottom side of the bottom 'wire' in the buttstock - and that's all I've got to work with.


Thanks again in advance for any help or information anyone can offer.

 

[KIDGLOCK]

TOP Mauser (?)
BOTTOM Buck Rogers(?) cool factor 10+

Just gueses.

 

[Jim K]

The bolt action rifle is German, made by the Gustloff Arms Works in Suhl, probably in the 1930's, as a training rifle, hence its sights and other features resembling those of the Modell 98 military rifle. "Kleinkaliber (KK) Wehrsportgewehr" means "Small bore (.22) Defense and Sport Rifle." ".22 Lang fur Buchsen" simply means ".22 Long Rifle." The Gustloff factory was originally Simpson & Co., but the Simpsons were Jews and the Nazi government took over the factory and named it for Wilhelm Gustloff, the Swiss Nazi leader who had been assassinated. (A ship also named for him was sunk by the Russians late in WWII, with a loss of some 10,000 lives, the greatest marine loss in history.)

SA d NSDAP stands for "Sturmabteilung der National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei", which means it was owned by the so-called "attack section" of the NSDAP (Nazi) party. The SA, also known as "storm troopers" or "Brownshirts" was the part of the Nazi party originally charged with breaking up rallies of other parties and beating up anyone who opposed the Nazis in the period when the Nazis were seeking power through election.

For those collecting Nazi and German weapons, that rifle should be very desireable, especially with the SA d NSDAP marking tying it directly to the SA.

The other is a cheap .410 shotgun imported from Spain in the 1960's and 1970's. The were called the Bronco and sold for around $30. There was also a version made in .22 caliber. They are of interest as being "different" but have little collector interest except as an idea of what a "minimal" gun can be.

Jim

 

[KIDGLOCK]

Did Gustluff make the 98s???

 

[Jim K]

Yes. Their K.98k codes were 337 and bcd.

Jim

 

[KIDGLOCK]

Thank you. Not to detract from the thread , those who know mausers need a PHD on the wall

 

[BEARMAN]

The .22 at the bottom was made in the U.S. and was distributed by three companies I am aware of, FIREARMS INTERNATIONAL, GARCIA (the fishing people) and BAUER. They were called a BRONCO , available in .22 only, .22mag only ,.410 only and the one I have a .22/.410 over/under. They all basicly look the same , the trigger like thing in front of the trigger guard is a latch to unlock the barrel to rotate it and also a cocking mechanism. On the .22/.410 if you cock the hammer and lift the rear sight you shoot the top .22 barrel if you push the rear sight down you shoot the lower .410 barrel. For more info do a www.dogpile.com search of "FIREARMS INTERNATIONAL BRONCO .22/.410 RIFLE"

 

['Card]

Thank you very much for the information, gentlemen. With what you've told me as a starting point, I've been able to do some digging/googling and done some really fascinating reading over the last day or two about both of these guns.

Your help (and knowledge) is much appreciated.

 

[Jim K]

Hi, Bearman,

I think you are correct in that the Bronco was later made in the U.S., but the first ones imported by FI were definitely made in Spain. I don't know where the little gun was designed. It was a clever idea, but its low cost got it a reputation for being used by, shall we say, unsportsmanlike members of society.

Jim