Great guns and can be loaded with some great +p 158 gr HPLSWC makes for a great gun. They were made with 2", 3", 4", bull and 4" pencil barrels. There is a 4" pencil barreled one near me, or was. I have a 4" pencil barrel that was taken off square butt gun and I would like to find a 65-2 or a 64-2 Pinned round butt gun to put it on for what I would like to have as my version of a Mt Gun.