DevilDog0402
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Good to hear you got it out safely!
Need some 1911 help, live round stuck
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Jim Watson
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I just wonder where all these gunsmiths are. I now have a reliable guy on 1911s and he will look at other stuff as long as it does not require parts replacement; but my town went for years without anybody reliable to work on a gun.
WardenWolf
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Good work. Glad to hear you got it out. As much as I like 1911's, they have some very odd quirks and can jam in the strangest ways when everything's not perfect.
Ridgerunner665
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Yes you were, .452" jacketed bullets are for the 45 Colt.
Don't beat yourself up about it...you're not the first to do it and won't be the last.
Don't beat yourself up about it...you're not the first to do it and won't be the last.
Ridgerunner665
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I'm just glad we figured it out...safely and without bloodshed.
About the 1911forum, there are guys there that have forgotten more than I'll ever know about 1911's...but, just like here, there are also guys that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. On forums a person must learn to know the difference...
About the 1911forum, there are guys there that have forgotten more than I'll ever know about 1911's...but, just like here, there are also guys that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. On forums a person must learn to know the difference...
Sediment the next time or IF it ever happens again before fooling with it you should try taking a can of spray oil with a plastic straw on and see if you can soak the primer of the stuck round as it will "Kill" the primer and make it safe to proceed trying to get it out .
O and FYI you can use .452 Lead bullets in a 45 ACP safely .
O and FYI you can use .452 Lead bullets in a 45 ACP safely .
jr_roosa
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I wouldn't trust a squirt of oil to save my life.
I'll bet you had a bulge in your brass. .001 shouldn't have made that big of a deal.
You need to sit down and reevaluate your reloading procedures. If your starting out with the wrong size bullets and rounds locking up your 1911 you may be making other potentially catastrophic errors that you aren't aware of.
One thing to check now that you can take the gun apart is how all of your reloads fit in the barrel (take it out of the gun first). They should drop in all the way and fall out with no resistance. Compare them to a factory round. This is an effective poor mans case gauge.
Until you get a batch to do this 100% of the time then maybe go back to checking every 5th round.
I'll bet you had a bulge in your brass. .001 shouldn't have made that big of a deal.
You need to sit down and reevaluate your reloading procedures. If your starting out with the wrong size bullets and rounds locking up your 1911 you may be making other potentially catastrophic errors that you aren't aware of.
One thing to check now that you can take the gun apart is how all of your reloads fit in the barrel (take it out of the gun first). They should drop in all the way and fall out with no resistance. Compare them to a factory round. This is an effective poor mans case gauge.
Until you get a batch to do this 100% of the time then maybe go back to checking every 5th round.
Ridgerunner665
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.001" DOES make that big of a deal...it won't fit.
jr_roosa
Sir I said SOAK the primer not just take the can and give it one little squirt .
You have obviously never reloaded and accidentally seated a primer upside down and needed to kill it so you can deprime it and save an otherwise perfect case .
Even a little oil on a primer can ruin it's ability to go bang don't believe me take a small cup and put some oil in it deep enough to get over the rim of a round and stand one up in it for awhile then nest time at the range try to fire that round , the only way that round may possibly fire is if it is a factory round that has primer sealer on it , I have yet to meat a reloader who spends the money and time bothering with sealing their primers so they are water/oil tight .
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When I buy cast for the .45 ACP .452 is what is offered, all of a sudden that's wrong?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
jr_roosa
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I agree it kills em dead if the oil can get to them. I'd just be sad to hear that this poor guy who is having two or three other problems wasn't able to get enough oil into that primer to do the job and put a bullet through his hand or his head.
I'm sure that if I soaked some rounds like you said they wouldn't work. I just wouldn't be sure enough to point that sucker anywhere but downrange when I pulled the trigger.
I've loaded quite a few backwards and sideways, I just slowly ease them back out then hit them with a hammer and toss them in the trash. Gotta hit them pretty hard to set them off.
My lead is .452 and there's no probelm at all with fitting in the chamber. If it was long enough to get wedged in the lands, it would be wedged pretty solid with a .451 bullet as well. He was still 1/8" out of battery, and there was no way the bullet was in the lands yet unless he really screwed up OAL badly. You have to pound squibs out with a dowel and a hammer once they're stuck in the rifling no matter if they're .451 or .452.
Now, slam a case home with a big old glock bulge that didn't get resized, and it will get stuck just like he described. Maybe if he seated way too deep and had a combination of too big a bullet and too thick of a case wall it would do it.
This guy has a few problems he needs to sort out, probably more than just the wrong bullets.
J.
Ridgerunner665
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.452" lead bullets and .452" jacketed bullets are 2 very different things.
I'll take a picture of the round when I get home in the morning along with some measurements. The screwup is entirely mine for not researching better.
No harm, no foul, no problem. Chalk it up to lesson learned and things to look out for in the future. Now I just need that shipment of LEAD bullets from Missouri Bullet Co and all will be right again
No harm, no foul, no problem. Chalk it up to lesson learned and things to look out for in the future. Now I just need that shipment of LEAD bullets from Missouri Bullet Co and all will be right again
While 452 for a jacketed is not optimal, it should still chamber and fire safely. It's not unheard of for a Kimber barrel to need a finish reaming in the chamber.
Take out the barrel and drop some rounds in - see how low they'll sit and whether you get any leade marks on the nose. Also, check the tension on your extractor - if it's too tight it'll have trouble accepting a rim under the hook.,,dented/damaged rims will do the same. Also check for any burrs/machine marks especially right around the firing pin hole.
/Bryan
Take out the barrel and drop some rounds in - see how low they'll sit and whether you get any leade marks on the nose. Also, check the tension on your extractor - if it's too tight it'll have trouble accepting a rim under the hook.,,dented/damaged rims will do the same. Also check for any burrs/machine marks especially right around the firing pin hole.
/Bryan
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