need some advice, am I going overboard?

[skippie]

I don't think so but here it goes.I work for an armored car company in Minnesota and in Minnesota they just passed shall issue type permits. Well part of the new law states that private businesses can post a large sign at all entrances that reads "So-n-so bans guns on these premises". All fine and dandy as I am exempt from the restrictions but I will not go in because I object to the entire idea of the signs in the first place, i.e. the people that are going to do bad things don't care if there is a sign up or not.
I have two stops so far with the signs and not only will not go in, I closed two of my accounts at one of the banks and switched my cable and phone service to different places that don't have them up. when I told them why I was doing it they just said well sorry you fell thet way, it is for the saftey of our customers, yeah sure it is, and on top of it I am getting a little flack from work.
I will not budge an inch on this one, and just want to know, is it just me??? :banghead: :banghead:

 

[czhead]

No, I don't think so.

The line has been drawn in the sand for some time now. With the 2002 elections and more 2nd Amendment rights advocates shouting out, it is now fashionable to stand up for what you believe. When Texans find these kinds of signs we go straight to the internet. Packing.org and TSRA.com have many posts where we have mounted campaigns and successfully shown business owners that concealed handgun liscense holders are actually the kind of people they want in their businesses. We don't write bad checks, skip out on child support, or drive while intoxicated.
More power to you, keep up the good fight.

 

[Old Fuff]

No, I think you're right.

We went through the same thing in Arizona when our CCW law was passed. After a year or so it dawned on these business people that all the bad things that were supposed to happen weren't. So all they were doing was chase away business. One store that posted early on was our local Wal-Mart. Now the sign hace been changed to include peace officers and CCW license holders who can bring in guns. It will be a bit rough for awhile, but don't worry - times will change. In the meantime hit them where it hurts, in the pocketbook.

 

[CGofMP]

Make a stand where you can.

There is NO reason we need to be treated as second class citizens, and those of us lucky enough to live in CCW positive states have to go through more checks than any other 'normal' citizen that walks through the doors.

"Safer for our customers"

Oh yea you mean those customers who will IGNORE your sign and know full well that there is nobody legally packing heat.... thereby making a mini-New-York where everyone is a sheep and only the bad-guys have the advantage of arms.

Dont think so!

Charles

 

[CB900F]

Skippie;

You're right, they're wrong. It's a pity that it's going to take the results of an economic boycott before they pull their collective heads out & see the light. You'd think that sweet reason would get through to supposedly intelligent people, but --------. Just tell them that they coulda had your money, but instead you'll give it to the next guy, the one who didn't offend you. Point out that their policy does not gain them money, it only loses it. Good luck,
900F

 

[Walosi]

While I would hate to see anyone lose a job over it, your principle is the right one - you are exempt because of your occupation, which allows you to come and go armed, because you passed a background check and completed a modicum of training. People with CCW licenses don't have all of this...wait...do they? Yeah, and the same state government that set the standards for your job-related carry set the standards for CCW. We had some knee-jerk reactions from some business owners early on, too. MOST of them came around on their own (with a little friendly conversation and a little water under the bridge). You can expect the same (and worse in the Metro area) for some time to come, but it won't change until the knee-jerks calm down and face the facts. DON'T start any pissing matches, but DON'T back down on the basic facts. Evey state that enacts CCW goes though the OMGTHEY'LLKILLUSALL whim-whams, thinking they are the first in the nation to have to endure this change. Tell them to look around and react to facts and experience in other states with history in this area.

As long as I'm on a rant, let me add something. We lived in Minneapolis in the early '60s, and our boys started high school just before we left. I have NEVER seen a better metrpolitan environment for raising kids than the Twin Cities were back then. Friends still there tell us it has gone to hell in a handbasket. We moved to St. Louis. Evening TV, in the first week we were there, reported more murders in one week than we had seen on Minneapolis TV in any of the twelve years we lived there. Different areas have different cultures and histories, but generally, the larger they get, the more restrictive they become. And, generally, the restrictions do more to fetter the honest citizens than the dishonest ones. Minneapolis was just really beginning to become a "big city" when we first moved there - it was difficult to find an apartment that allowed kids, and NONE allowed pets. St. Louis had, perhaps, a hundred year lead on Minneapolis in "metropolitan surge" and the contrast will never leave me. The new laws are something (finally) that will tend to offset the old "restrict everybody - we know what's best" thinking in legislation. After all, an armed society is a polite society.

 

[Jeff OTMG]

You are not alone. I have little cards with 'no gun' = 'no money' symbols that I make a point of leaving in any establishment posting any type of no gun sign.

 

[chaim]

In your personal life, you are not overreacting. Don't do business with those businesses and politely let them know why. Vote with your dollars.

If you are also refusing to enter such businesses while working (not entirely clear to me at 11:30PM from your post) you might be overreacting, or at least making a mistake.

Your job isn't asking you to do anything immoral or unethical, go into the businesses as you always have. Engage in converstation, as you get to know the people there ask why you can go in as an armored guard and a CCW can't (must be careful that it appears as casual converstation and not lobbying because you don't want to get in trouble w/ work), point out that CCWs have similar (or greater) training and background check requirements (again being careful not to look like you are lobbying the business to avoid trouble at work). Maybe you could even open some minds.

 

[DrPsycho]

Here's a great one-liner that I thought might apply in this case:

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.


Make your stand.

 

[skippie]

Chaim, Yes that is what I am saying, but the places are still getting service, the other guys on the truck go in instead of me. It is just that I was taught as long ago as I can remember that you should always do the right thing, especially when know one else is looking, and above all stand up for what you belive in, sometimes that is all that we have left. I'll tell ya one thing though, you have never met anyone as stubborn as a 6'5" 300 pound Minnesotan, ya ya know youbetcha den.

 

[Standing Wolf]

You're not alone, friend. A great many of us refuse to do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots.

 

[chaim]

skippie,

Well, so long as the other guys are willing to accomodate you on this then I guess you are ok, but I still think you'd be better off going into the places where you might be able to open some eyes. Maybe being a little more selective about which you'll do the run in and which you won't based on how likely you think they'd listen.

Oh, by the way. You live in Minn? Are you a big college football fan? My cousin is from up there and used to play football for the Univ of MN (he almost went pro, World League Football is as far as he made it though- listened to some bad advice from an agent that kept him out of the NFL).

Other than some of the left-wing wackos that have migrated there I hear it is a wonderful place to live. I might even make my way to Minneapolis-St.Paul one of these days (maybe after my masters degree).

 

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

kudos Skippie!
Congrats for standing and showing that you have a pair!!