Need some advice on a .45

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To my dismay it appears that the 4.5" model does not have the fiber optic front site.

That said, will the open slide cause problems in real use (dirt, etc)? I hate to spend $850 but I also want to get a 45 I really love.

Any othe manufacturers that have good ergonomics like the XDM?
 
So my question, should I just get what feels best in my hand?

Thanks!

Nope. You should get what you shoot best. There's got to be a range somewhere in NY that rents pistols. Not unusual to end up going through a few pistols before you find what works for you. I sold all my pistols except custom Glocks and 1911's.

I shoot those the best. Neither feels good. And the high cut grip safety, better shooting, 1911's are less comfortable than the regular 1911's. I did round the edge of the Glocks trigger guard that my middle finger rubs on, but it was a non issue while shooting. I only notice it when dry firing, not when actually shooting.

I wouldn't sweat the sights on anything. Stock sights are weak most of the time. Every decent pistol I have, has custom sights.
 
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+1 for MP 45 and in particular, the 45c. It's not a sub-compact, but an 8+1 with plenty of heft for a polymer. Most folks seem to like the feel a lot, at least I've never heard anyone say otherwise. I believe it is among the M&P models that can be had with a thumb safety if you like that feature, however I've never shot an M&P that was configured with one.

I personally don't care for the feel of the XDM at all, and most definitely not the XDS--shooting these for me is like wrapping my hand around a snow tire--or a bench grinder. I've only fired the little single-stack and really didn't want any part of it. The MP45c I can shoot all day long (and often do)--it's worth a look, but I suppose if you don't even have the opportunity to touch and feel various guns, the recommendation is a bit pointless. Everyone has their favorites--usually the ones they own.

Other considerations might be more important for you if it's remotely possible that a child could get hold of the gun--in other words, IF there was an oversight, a firearm with an external safety might add just a little bit of forgiveness for an error already made. I only mention this because a large number of options are available without external safeties, and in fact that's the more common option for the M&Ps AFAIK. I don't know how you can know which option you'd shoot best or even which one would be the most comfortable. I was able to handle at least a 1/2 dozen smaller 45s and shot at least 3 of them before getting hold of the M&P, which I bought then-and-there after pumping a box of ammo thru it. If you're simply not able to do that, I really wouldn't worry about it too much--you can learn to shoot whatever you decide on, and you can learn to shoot it well.

I'm NOT even remotely suggesting an external safety is a substitute for preventing situations that cause inexcusable 'accidents'. I'm suggesting some things to consider that might be far more meaningful than color and styling, for example. :)

Final comment: I'm not sure it's important, useful or even a great idea to have a different weapon for home defense than for carry. While you can definitely take advantage of added weight, size and capacity (they kinda all go together) when you don't have to carry the gun, these may not overcome having to deal with a different weapon that handles differently. My home defense weapon IS my carry weapon, because I generally carry while I'm awake--in the home or otherwise. When in bed, I do often have the big brother to my G29 (the G20) on my nightstand, but it pretty much an identical gun other than 'feel'. Generally, they behave the same for me.

Happy hunting!
 
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Nope. You should get what you shoot best. There's got to be a range somewhere in NY that rents pistols. Not unusual to end up going through a few pistols before you find what works for you. I sold all my pistols except custom Glocks and 1911's.

I shoot those the best. Neither feels good. And the high cut grip safety, better shooting, 1911's are less comfortable than the regular 1911's. I did round the edge of the Glocks trigger guard that my middle finger rubs on, but it was a non issue while shooting. I only notice it when dry firing, not when actually shooting.

I wouldn't sweat the sights on anything. Stock sights are weak most of the time. Every decent pistol I have, has custom sights.
Zero - that is interesting and opposite from what I heard. I have shot the Glock before and it was not bad but I was very new to pistols so I had nothing to compare it to. I was all set to get that for my first 9mm but when trying at the store the HK fit me like a glove. Yesterday when I went to another store they guy showed me the night sites on another gun and it felt awesome in my hand - sure enough it was the HK VP 9.

What I like about glock is it is half the price. It seems you have the same issue - can you explain how you modded the rtrigger guard?

Edit: I am unaware of any place that will rent guns in NY. I don't know if it is even legal. You cannot touch a pistol in NY without a permit. I guess it's better to make people wait and get their first pistol never having fired one.
 
+1 for MP 45 and in particular, the 45c. It's not a sub-compact, but an 8+1 with plenty of heft for a polymer. Most folks seem to like the feel a lot, at least I've never heard anyone say otherwise. I believe it is among the M&P models that can be had with a thumb safety if you like that feature, however I've never shot an M&P that was configured with one.

I personally don't care for the feel of the XDM at all, and most definitely not the XDS--shooting these for me is like wrapping my hand around a snow tire--or a bench grinder. I've only fired the little single-stack and really didn't want any part of it. The MP45c I can shoot all day long (and often do)--it's worth a look, but I suppose if you don't even have the opportunity to touch and feel various guns, the recommendation is a bit pointless. Everyone has their favorites--usually the ones they own.

Other considerations might be more important for you if it's remotely possible that a child could get hold of the gun--in other words, IF there was an oversight, a firearm with an external safety might add just a little bit of forgiveness for an error already made. I only mention this because a large number of options are available without external safeties, and in fact that's the more common option for the M&Ps AFAIK. I don't know how you can know which option you'd shoot best or even which one would be the most comfortable. I was able to handle at least a 1/2 dozen smaller 45s and shot at least 3 of them before getting hold of the M&P, which I bought then-and-there after pumping a box of ammo thru it. If you're simply not able to do that, I really wouldn't worry about it too much--you can learn to shoot whatever you decide on, and you can learn to shoot it well.

I'm NOT even remotely suggesting an external safety is a substitute for preventing situations that cause inexcusable 'accidents'. I'm suggesting some things to consider that might be far more meaningful than color and styling, for example. :)

Final comment: I'm not sure it's important, useful or even a great idea to have a different weapon for home defense than for carry. While you can definitely take advantage of added weight, size and capacity (they kinda all go together) when you don't have to carry the gun, these may not overcome having to deal with a different weapon that handles differently. My home defense weapon IS my carry weapon, because I generally carry while I'm awake--in the home or otherwise. When in bed, I do often have the big brother to my G29 (the G20) on my nightstand, but it pretty much an identical gun other than 'feel'. Generally, they behave the same for me.

Happy hunting!
Unfortunately carry permits are nearly impossible to get so I don't think I will have one as long as I reside in NY.

I looked at the m&p but didn't like the feel either. The XDM fit me as well as my HK which is why I wanted that one. The cost is what is really shying me away as I've spent at least $10k on guns and related items since I got into them about 2 years ago. I'm willing to save a few weeks for the right one, but I wouldn't mind getting a cheaper one if I could find one that works for me. I'm not interested in used at this point and between shipping and xfer fees I won't save much.

Ps: No kids in the house.
 
Yeah that's my mistake and assumption...when you said you'd finally gotten your permit I assumed that meant carry permit. I honestly had no idea one had to get a 'permit' just to own a firearm in NY. You can't imagine just how much that angers me.

I just sent another $300 to one of my pro-2nd Amendment organizations on behalf of all of us.
 
FYI, if you plan to shoot at an indoor range, they may not let you shoot steel case ammo. Mine by me in Ohio here does not. Also, I wouldn't assume a smaller gun equals easier to shoot for your GF. My experience is the exact opposite. I really think if the purpose is home defense and a gun your GF is comfortable with I'd go full size to compact, but nothing smaller. The XDM or Glock 30, M&P 45c or something similar sound like good options.
 
Permit is to own a pistol, you do not need a permit for rifles and shotguns. In NJ you have to have a permit for any gun I beleive and I think the same holds true now in CT. In CT you now need a permit to buy ammo.

NY stopped the ability to get ammo delivered without going through a gun store and limited what they could charge so none will do it. They were to start a background check on all ammo purchases but that has not yet materialized.

Any gun deemed an assault rifle (semi autos with certain "evil" features) can no longer be purchased. Any that are grandfathered had to be registered. Clever manufacturers created an AR grip without a pistol grip so you can get those. All mags are 10 rds or less and you can only load to 7 rds (except at a range).

This all stemmed from the shooting in Newtown CT as the liberals took advantage to push their anti gun agendas. I'm an NRA member and vote but it is a loosing battle. That's why I want out.
 
You should get what you shoot best

This is the truth, and this comes from training and practice rather than what looks cool in a gun magazine or at the gun counter.
 
How about this here HK .45?

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I like that one but it was ~$1200. I went in with a budget of $550 so that was too much.

I'm tempted to get the Glock but it's so clunky I'm gonna wait for my tax return but still try and keep it under $800.
 
I tried several glocks including the 30 but with every single one the trigger guard rubs against my middle finger.

You will develop a callus there and won't notice it.
 
Here in the (relatively) free state of California, many ranges rent guns - as long as you bring your own, too. When I decided to reduce the weight of my carry gun, I shot the M&P, XD, and Glock offerings in 9mm and .45acp. I really wanted to love the XD guns, but found the checkering too aggressive for my tender hands. The M&Ps were the wife's favorites for comfort, but I didn't seem to be able to get a consistent grip on them. The Glock 30, with both the looks and ergonomics of a damaged brick, the short sight radius, and the short, fat grip, kicked tail on the range. It stacked shot after shot in the X ring, and settled into my hand every time. Recoil was less than expected, accuracy was better than I thought possible.

Based on feel and features, I would have bought the XD. The Glock would have been a distant third. Holding them, shooting them, and selling them are three very different things.
 
Yea, my mistake. I'm having trouble keeping track of the glock numbers :)

I know it shouldn't matter but I find glocks so utilitarian and bland. I love the way the XD looks and it just feels right.

I'm tempted to just get the compact with the extended mag and see what I think. It would be an easier decision if I could actually shoot them first but I can't.

I'll look into some of the other ones you mentioned. Thanks!
Most Springfield XDs look pretty close to bland Glocks except they have a stupid grip safety.
 
It's like anything else, looks grow old fast, get what works for you. Don't just buy a gun because someone else liked it. Go shoot all of them, or at least all of that model, and then decide. There is too much buyers remorse with pistol because people don't know what they want. I never saw new guns being sold after a few weeks 30 years ago, because people had generally more experience with the particular gun they were buying, and never sold them
 
I was in the same boat as you about a year or so ago Spta97. I wanted a 45 auto and I spent a lot of time researching them. I ended up purchasing a Ruger SR 45 and I am perfectly satisfied with it. Fits my hand perfectly, is very consistent and has a light recoil for a 45 auto. Mind you I am not trying to sell you on it but if you have not tried one give it a try you may be pleasantly surprised....or not....:eek:

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Well I just came back from the gun store and ended up getting the HK 45. This was way more than I wanted to spend ($1150 :what:) but it seemed to fit my hand the best.

I had decided on the Springfield 3.8 compact but they said, because of NY SAFE, it will only come with the flush fit mag which are 10 rounds - not the extended mags in 10 round capacity. This made the gun way too small for me.

A close second was the glock 41. This fit my hand the 2nd best and was $400 cheaper but the HK seemed a lot nicer in my hand. My problem with the Glock 21 wasn't that it was too big but rather it was too smal apparently.

I love the feel of my VP9 so the HK45 should work out well.

So against my best judgment I got what fit best rather than what served the purpose. The good news is I am free to buy the others once I have the funds :)

Thanks everyone for your input. I'll post back after I get it put on my permit so I can take possession and get to the range!
 
Well I just came back from the gun store and ended up getting the HK 45. This was way more than I wanted to spend ($1150 :what:) but it seemed to fit my hand the best.

I had decided on the Springfield 3.8 compact but they said, because of NY SAFE, it will only come with the flush fit mag which are 10 rounds - not the extended mags in 10 round capacity. This made the gun way too small for me.

A close second was the glock 41. This fit my hand the 2nd best and was $400 cheaper but the HK seemed a lot nicer in my hand. My problem with the Glock 21 wasn't that it was too big but rather it was too smal apparently.

I love the feel of my VP9 so the HK45 should work out well.

So against my best judgment I got what fit best rather than what served the purpose. The good news is I am free to buy the others once I have the funds :)

Thanks everyone for your input. I'll post back after I get it put on my permit so I can take possession and get to the range!

Good choice, but it seems like you're acting as if gun rights in New York are all cute right now, you're not mad enough -- move to NH, VT or ME, they could use your help right now and you'd have more freedom.

Congrats on the gun.
 
I have a FNP 45 and am happy with it also a Smith 4506 both are DA/SA and hammer fired . just to add something a bit different I keep a 44 special in the drawer for SD at 4:30 half asleep.. I would rather have a revolver handy ...
 
Trust me, I would love to move but I have yet to find a place that will give me the same financial quality. We were interested in moving to Austin tx but the salaries did not match up vs cost of living.

I will move one day because of the gun laws. I find nothing cute about the laws. I vote and write congressmen and support the NRA and educate people on guns. But it is a loosing battle.
 
Congrats on getting a very nice pistol. It's very hard to know exactly what's best for you since you can't try shooting other models. Maybe you should do a gun vacation just to get a chance to shoot some other guns in a state where they don't watch every move you make.

I got to thinking about my earlier suggestion about the XDm and all I can say is that I should have paid attention to where you live. 10 rounds is a tough limitation. But nothing stops you from having extra mags.

Knowing your situation a little better I might suggest your next gun be a Sig P220. Some can have the sights changed so you can add fiber optic sights. My Sig has served me extremely well and would make an excellent HD pistol.

Here's where people are likely to think I'm nuts. I have a Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro that's a .45 with a 10 round mag. It fits my hand perfectly (unlike every Glock I ever looked at). I actually intended to buy a Glock the day I bought that pistols but I could not find one that fit my hand. No matter. That Taurus has been a tremendously good pistol. It's crazy accurate, it's never failed to fire even once, it feeds and ejects everything I put in it, and it is small enough for CCW if you should ever get the chance. It also has about the best recoil characteristics I've ever seen. It pushes straight back into my hand making 2nd and 3rd shots extremely easy to keep on target. I carried that pistol for many years until I decided I wanted a .40 XDm because of capacity and bullet ballistics. But a .45 is a great caliber against humans.

I can only say good things about both of those pistols and the XDm too for that matter. I wouldn't hesitate for a second suggesting that someone use any of them. The way they fit your hand most definitely is a big concern. All of mine fit me well or I wouldn't have bought them. But everyone is different. BTW there are some good versions of that Taurus and some not so good versions. If you'd happen to ever want one look for a Gen. 3 model with a SA/DA trigger.
 
I don't think you are approaching this well. First of all I lived in NY for 45 years, and had a 38 special that worked fine for just about any need you will likely have. I was also allowed to, "after 10 years" get a second gun on my carry permit. I chose a PPK's for concealment purposes. But I was carrying, "for your purposes", the gun you have, "as mentioned" is more than enough for you to shoot targets with or repel a small army of home invaders.
Perhaps allow some time to go by, and do some more actual shooting, before running out to buy another gun.
You may fine that a 22 target pistol is cheaper and almost as much fun to shoot. Or a target pistol like a 1911 Gold Cup, or Range Officer. Also if you are rubbing against the trigger guard with a full sized Glock, you have to be using the wrong grip, as that is a full sized gun that will accommodate any large hand up to Paul Bunion size.
 
George, I'm not sure why you seem to "be scolding" me or why you seem to think you know "my needs" better than I. I also don't understand the over use of "quotation marks".

That said, it is not that I have opportunities to shoot pistols in state or unlimited access to the ones I am interested in out of state.

I have many rifles and shotguns and can tell you .22 won't serve my needs. Also, the gun buying experience is not what you would call customer friendly which translates into them rushing you into something. Bear in mind this is the most friendly shop in my county (I've been to them all).

The glock 41 fit me fine but the HK fit me better. In retrospect, I'm not sure it fits $400 better. I'm actually thinking of changing the purchase as a result. That and a got a casing of brass tulammo stuck in my vp9 last week which took all my might to clear. When I had the shop inspect the pistol today they blamed it on crap ammo. Perhaps, but I feel the HK should shoot any manufactured ammo I feed it. I have not heard of glocks being picky with ammo and I sort of feel I got a Mercedes Bens that only runs on premium.

What scares me most is this is the gun I will trust with my life and failure is not an option.

Not to mention extra magazines are $80 - ouch.
 
Just my 2 cents..... Keep the HK45. It will hold value better than the Glock and will run fine with decent ammo. I have yet to have a malfunction with mine.

As far as your failure to extract on the VP9 goes, if it took all your might to pull it out, then it wasn't the gun's fault, it was the ammo. No extractor would be able to pull it out if you had a hard time doing so. My guess is shooting dirty ammo like Tulammo probably allowed some fouling to get in the chamber. When the gun was fired the brass expanded as expected and got jammed in there due to the fouling or whatever being pressed in between the brass and chamber wall.

It isn't that you Mercedez will only run on premium, it's that you asked it to run on rubbing alcohol and wood chips. Buy some decent ammo and I bet the problem will be resolved.
 
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460 - rubbing alcohol and wood chips. Lol!

This wasn't the black box stuff and was only a few cents cheaper than Winchester. Reason I got it was reviews said it was a little hotter (not quite +) than reg 9mm. I still have about 400 rounds of it.

I get it is the ammo's fault, but I wonder if it would have had the failure of it was a glock?

I'm not terrible concerned about resale value as I don't plan to sell. I have guns I almost never use but each is like a friend.

Can you let me know where the price gap is made up on the HK? It is a very nice gun but I'm thinking I can get the same if not better performance from the glock.
 
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