NEF .22-250 dillema

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The question: what to do with my NEF .22-250 Handi-Rifle? (Heavy Barrel)

A little info about myself: I get the opportunity every couple years or so to visit and hunt South Africa. I didn't grow up as a hunter, and my hunting experience is somewhat limited. After returning from a visit 3 years ago I knew I needed to work on my shooting skills, specifically shooting off of a bipod/monopod/hunters walking stick kind of thing. I gravitated towards varmiter sized rounds, long range... seemed like it would be slightly cheaper ammo than shooting deer sized cartridges (wrong) and would be good to practice with before going on next big hunt.

I chose the NEF rifle, because well it seemed idiot proof. I wasn't sure of what to look for in a rifle then... free-floating barrel, trigger characteristics, etc. My logic was that it looked simple enough, not much could go wrong with it. I purchased it a little shy of 2 years ago.

I have yet to shoot it. I've been visiting the indoor ranges in my area with some frequency since about November or so and shooting mostly handguns. Recently I purchased a nice S&W 19-5 I posted a little about in the revolver forum. I have plans to find an outdoor range, possibly getting a membership with a club. Public outdoor range options seem scarce in the Minnesota Twin Cities area, and from what I've heard busy/scary and mostly revolving around deer season.

I done some research on my handi-rifle since purchase (instead of getting out and using it), and well already I've had some buyer's remorse. Some of the stuff I've read and heard about these rifles is that the barrels are non-stressed relieved after the button rifling process, triggers are stiff, and dont group shots well enough. I've also heard handi rifles were designs converted from their shotguns, and are not optimal for the high pressures of this round.

On the other hand I hear about people who get a gunsmith to work their trigger, maybe get a spring kit and they get fairly decent economical rifle... even buying up a number of additional barrels. I would like to hunt deer in MN, so if this gun can be made to shoot nicely Id get a barrel I could hunt with... considering half of MN is shotgun/muzzleloader only maybe a rifled slug barrel would be a good choice? (I really don't have much shotgun exper.)

Do I:

1) go out use it, have gunsmith fix trigger and float barrel when I get dissappointed. Con: I heard the factory "fixes" any trigger jobs if you send in for additional barrels later.

2) go out use it, if it needs fixed I heard the factory will do a trigger job that isn't as light... but I guess it would give option to send in later for another barrel if I decide I really like it.

3) sell it without even trying it out, invest the cash into something classy. I've got plans to get a .17hmr... looking at CZ452/453 models, as well as Savage. I've also been eyeballing the 22 Ruger Charger in the gun shop as well.

I've never sold a gun, right now the rifle is new (no packaging however)... don't know what kind of value difference there would be if it were only lightly used... I know they aren't particularly expensive brand-new. The .17 would be able to do a lot of what the .22-250 should be capable of (no intention of shooting coyotes or fox size predators), and I could maybe use it once in a while at the 50 yd indoor range during the winter months. I haven't been using this gun for the reasons I intended, and the shooting drills I have done as far as standing shots/ bi-pod have been with the .22 rifles my uncle and my girlfriend's step dad own.



Am I looking at this gun all wrong? Am I making more bad buying decisions here? Tell me what you would do if you were me. Thanks for taking the time to read this long winded, indecisive post.

-Rmuzz
 
You're thinking too much and basing information on hearsay. You need to get a scope on the rifle and get out and shoot it. Find out for yourself if it fits your idea of what you want.
Some of the Handi-rifles will shoot incredibly well for a budget rifle. Give it a chance. You can always sell it if it doesn't work out to your satisfaction.
Good luck.

NCsmitty
 
Well, as you've figured out by now the most important buying/selling consideration for any gun is practicality. Obviously you don't get much chance for rifle shooting, so why spend the money trying to turn an inexpensive utility rifle (which is what the NEF is) into something it's not?

It doesn't matter if you can get a precision barrel and smooth that trigger out until it feels like it belongs on a professional long-range match rifle... if you're not practising with it often, the difference probably won't be significant.

If you don't have a good reason to use the rifle, I would look to sell it or find a friend/family member who may want it. It doesn't sound like it really suits your purpose, and you like most people don't have the opportunity to practice often with a rifle.

If the only time you're going to use that rifle is for hunting once a year, I think you'd be well-served to go find a used bolt-action in a heavier calibre, that will reliably take a deer even with a less-than-perfect shot. Very few people have both the shooting skills and knowledge of shot angles and deer anatomy to make a calibre as small as .22-250 work on deer.
 
Edit: Sorry about the triple post. My web browser was temporarily possessed.
 
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You're thinking too much and basing information on hearsay. You need to get a scope on the rifle and get out and shoot it. Find out for yourself if it fits your idea of what you want.
Some of the Handi-rifles will shoot incredibly well for a budget rifle. Give it a chance. You can always sell it if it doesn't work out to your satisfaction.
Good luck.

this.

and i'll add, you got nothing to lose by shooting it. the handi-rifle isn't a collectors rifle by any stretch, and you won't get near new dollar for it anyway. might as well shoot it.
 
the break open design was first used on shotguns, however, modern nef designs incorporate heat treating that make it suitable for the 53,000 cup the 22-250 generates. also, the design itself dictates the barrel hinging at the bottom with a screw gusset welded to the bottom to hold the forearm screw. also, the scope, base, and mounts themselves are attached to the barrel. i can't imagine how a person could "freefloat" a nef. that said, you will never get your full money back out of it. might as well scope it and shoot it. who knows, you might like it. if you don't, put it in the back of the safe for a son, or nephew, or neice for that matter. or use it as trade fodder. but deffinatly shoot it first.
 
If your getting the oppurtunity to go to Africa every handfull of years I wouldn't think a 250 dollar gun should be a major blow on your budget. So go out and use it and have fun with it.

Why not look into getting something else to join as well? Nothing wrong with owning more than one gun.

I have quite a few small caliber centerfires and some of them are very nice, but I'd also like to have a Handi rifle if I'd ever run accross a great deal on one.
 
The first piece of advice I got regarding this rifle was to go out and buy an obscene amount ammo for it.... that way I have a pile of bullets telling me "go out and shoot me soon, or you are an idiot."

I've read your guys responses, I guess go out and shoot it was what I was telling myself when I wrote this... I guess the thr responses were expected. I definitely learned something about keeping practicality in mind when looking at a firearm though.
 
After reading your post I have a bit to add to the previous replies. I know the design doesn't lean toward a precision shooter, but I have a 20ga Ultra that puts slugs in MOA groups at 100yds, not once in a while, but every time I put it on a rest. I had a Survivor in .223 that would do sub-MOA with factory fodder, and better on handloads.
I would also like to point out that you can send the receiver back in and get a new barrel fitted in your choice of caliber. Mount a scope to each and you can have any number of rigs ready for you to take. I think you would have 4-8 new barrels for the price of one factory varminting outfit.
I would keep the gun. Go out and shoot it if you like it, but want more get another barrel.
 
Because of the design of the Handi-rifle, free floating is not only not possible, but not beneficial in the same way it would be with a bolt rifle or other rifles with a one-piece stock. The reason for free-floating is to keep pressure from the stock off of the barrel as things heat up, as it can push it slightly, causing the receiver (where the scope usually mounts) to become very slightly misaligned. Since on the Handi-rifle the forearm is attached only to the barrel, and since the scope mounts directly to the barrel, free floating would not be a practical endeavor.

To wring more accuracy out of single shots like the Handi-rifle, the best thing you can do is to keep the brass for that rifle separate from brass for other rifles of the same chambering, and only neck-size the brass. With a good fit in the chamber, you'll be amazed how much better these little rifles shoot.
 
Well, as you've figured out by now the most important buying/selling consideration for any gun is practicality

Only to the person who is anal retentive and has to justify everything in their life.

NEF rifles are fun and perform well for the cost.

Most rifles shoot well with commercial ammo. Some shoot much better than others.
Hand loading can make a okay rifle shoot great.

Don't buy massive amounts of ammo till you shoot it and see what brand and bullet weight works best with that rifle.

Quite listening and reading and shoot the damn thing.

And for friggen sake if you want something and can afford it, buy it and then forget about it.

Leave the guilt to Jewish mothers and the Catholic church.
 
To wring more accuracy out of single shots like the Handi-rifle, the best thing you can do is to keep the brass for that rifle separate from brass for other rifles of the same chambering, and only neck-size the brass. With a good fit in the chamber, you'll be amazed how much better these little rifles shoot.
No issues with stuck brass? I tried that and they wouldn't eject. I have another to load for and might try it again.
 
I though floating a barrel reduced barrel harmonics, allowing bullet to leave barrel without vibrations shaking things as it exits. Is it really more of a heat/scope misalignment? or both?

One of the places I saw NEF being "floated" mentioned was here http://www.varminthunters.com/tech/nef.html

Could you explain neck sizing to me? I don't really know what that is. Is that reloading cases with only changing things are the neck vs the whole thing? I dont know a thing about reloading, not planning on making that step up real soon... but would be good stuff to know I guess.

Its thawing out a bit right now in MN, so maybe I'll get a good free weekend soon to go out and see how she works...
 
Could you explain neck sizing to me?

Neck sizing generally requires a different die than a full-length die, and affects only the neck part of a bottleneck cartridge. This retains the fire-formed dimensions of your brass, which matches your chamber. By avoiding overworking the brass, case life is supposed to be extended.

You can really get into this, with match dies that have inserts you choose to exactly match your chamber's neck dimensions. Then you can turn your necks to match the inserts, etc. (The benchrest crowd loves this stuff.)

This is a pretty lame explanation. Here's a site with all sorts of technical info on dies -

Forster precision dies
 
If it turns out you don't like your NEF and want to sell/trade it, just pm me and we will discuss it. What model is it and what kind of stock? Finish of barrel?
 
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