negligent discharge

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Ok, so here it goes. First off let me start by saying "I am a human being, and human beings make mistakes'. This particular mistake ended with me blowing up two porcelain dinner plates in my sink, and sending myself into a cartiac event. heres the story, i will point out the mistakes as i go. One day i decided i needed a new carry peice so i went down to the local gun shop and bought (actually dad bought it cause i wasnt 21 at the time, state law said you could carry at 18 but not buy the gun or ammo, go figure) a S&W 9ve, a fobus holster, and some pmc ball ammo. MISTAKE NUMBER ONE: 125 GRN BALL AMMO. MISTAKE TWO: i then loaded it in the shop, dropped it into the holster and left without proving to myself that the weapon wasnt a dud or getting proficient with it. i then went back to my one room apt and while sitting at my kitchen table unholstered the gun to have a look at it. I drop the mag unload it (and the gun) and put the spare mag (still loaded) on the table next to the empty. i then proceed to strip the pistol down, the process is similar in the take down method of a glock. drop mag, rack slide, squeeze trigger, pull back slide slightly, flip lever, remove slide (repeat until you can do it in your sleep) IMPORTANT!! up until then i had been carrying a taurus .38 special revolver. anyhoo, after 5 repititions of this i decide if had enough but decide to do it once more, as near as i figure here is what happened, throughout the whole thing i had been going through the strip procedure entirly INCLUDING dropping and reinserting the mag. heres where i go into a little more detail to magnify my momentary bout of idiocy.

1. i pick up the loaded mag and put it in the gun.
2. i grasp the gun with my right and and place my left on the slide and rack the slide by pushing it back with my left hand.
3. i release the slide, loading a round.
4. with both hands still on the gun (right on grip, left on slide) i squeeze the trigger.
5. gun goes BLAAAAMMMMM!!!!!!! bullet exits muzzle, flys under my left elbow, travels five feet to my sink, vaporizes one plate (think death star and alderan) and shatters a second, jacket seperates from bullet and flys past my face along with peices of dishwear and strikes the window curtain 6 feet behind me, the bullet lead with all its energy spent on the plates bounces off my leg and lands on the floor a couple feet away (i dont notice this) my ears ring.
7. i do this :what: and assume i just blasted my neighbor who just came over here from bohemia. failing to look for a hole in the wall first i run to his apartment and hammer his door with fists and feet. he's fine and wondering why im pounding on his door, he didnt hear the shot.:scrutiny:
8. i explain, he nods, calms me down and sends me back to my apartment with a cup of herbal tea.:scrutiny: to be continued
 
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right, so i go back to my place to survey the damage. heres what i find, the smoke is just starting to clear, my ears are still ringing, there is porcelin plate everywhere and a jammed pistol on the table (still smoking). and im wondering how im gonna tell this to the land lady.

K so i know i screwed up, in fact i knew i was, more than once i said "you shouldnt do that" and did it anyhow even though i knew better. COMPLACENT? YOU BET, NOT ANY MORE THOUGH.

heres what we learned
1. i can be lowder in my apartment than i thought, in fact i can target practice without the neighbors hearing it (sigh)
2. porcelin plate dust is hard to get out of your hair, it will also provide enough backstop to keep a 9mm round from ventilating your neighbor.
3. pay attention to what the hell your doing.
4. when stripping a gun repeatedly check to see if its loaded, keep ammo way far away.
5. when you get a new carry piece test it, before you carry it. this particular gun never fed anything reliably and was sold a week later as a paper weight.
6. get familiar with your gun.


a couple things of note, this was a major eye opener for me, and i finally decided that the world needed to hear this one so they could learn from it, a lot of people wouldnt confess to that much stupidity in one sitting. Apart from the things listed above i also learned that after mentioning somthing like this to your best friend (phantom warrior) theyll never let you forget it.

so has anyone else ever had anything like that happen? any comments?

being doubly vigilant
W.A.
 
W.A.,

Glad to hear you (and your neighbor) are OK. Although this was a disturbing incident, your narration was very humorus.

When I was about 16 I was already a gun nut. I lived in CA, and managed to get a hold of several guns even though my folks were anti-gun and wouldn't buy them for me. Anyway, I had a Taurus 9mm, a Jennings .22, and an AMT .380 Backup. I always kept them unloaded except for my .380 which I always carried loaded. We were having a party at my buddy's house, and they wanted to see um. So, I carefully ensure that the normally unloaded 9mm and .22 were unloaded, and passed them around. Then I unloaded the .380 and let everyone look. When we were all done, I put them back into the bag, loading my .380 before putting it away. We standing there talking and all of the sudden BANG!!!!! All of our ears are ringing like crazy since a 2" .380 had just gone off in a small room.

It turns out one idiot who had wandered in just as we were done looking decided to 1. open the bag, 2. pull the AMT out of the holster, 3. take off the safety, and 4. pull the trigger. When it went off it was about 3 feet from a friend of mine's head. The bullet was lodged about 2" below a window. If the idiot had shot just a little higher it would have shattered the window, and (probably) gone through the window of the house next door.

So, that was my brush with ND.
 
So the plates stoped it huh,well it looks like i can save money and buy some porcelen plates for body armor and if i get hungry i'm set:D On a serious note glad your all right
 
Glad to hear everyone is okay. Thank you for sharing your story.

All too often you only hear the good stories on these boards. I've just gotten back into shooting and pistol ownership after a long hiatus and it's the most probable time that I will do something stupid. I remember that I used to be proficient so I can skip some of the formalities. Your post reminds me that I shouldn't relax.
 
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Hi, mcole and guys,

I seem to recall something about having to be without sin to go casting stones. There are few of us who have not had an accidental/unintentional (or whatever they are calling it this week) discharge. Yes, me too.

But they will be harmless if the gun is kept always pointing in a safe direction. Harmless to people, at least; porcelain plates may suffer.

Jim
 
You think all the previous postings are bad (well guess it is), but read this. When I was a range master and manager, I had this young kid who knew everything (as all young kids do). One day I look over at him and see him with a cocked pistol and knowing that he doesn't own a 1911, ask him what's going on. He thought it would be nice to have a cocked Beretta 92 ready at an instants notice. Yeah right, a cocked 92 with no safety like a 1911 in condition one. This is also the same guy who lets the same 92 drop from his pants when he tried a mexican carry. We also had another worker who had one AD inside the shooting range in front of other shooters, this same person then had a second AD in the public area IN FRONT of our owner. After we all recovered from our heart attacks, he got fired faster than you could say AD. Lucky that in both instances no one got hurt from the AD's. Shooters in general might get complacent with their toys now and then but it seems like those who work in gun stores are even worst.
 
Thanks for sharing your story, it reminds us all to always be careful.

It always freaks me out to disassemble guns like Glocks that require the trigger to be pulled. Before pulling any trigger I check the chamber 4 or 5 times, then a 6th and 7th time before pulling (pointed in a safe direction).

I have FOCD (Firearm Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). I hope it's enough to keep me from sharing a similar story someday!
 
It always freaks me out to disassemble guns like Glocks that require the trigger to be pulled. Before pulling any trigger I check the chamber 4 or 5 times, then a 6th and 7th time before pulling (pointed in a safe direction).

I have FOCD (Firearm Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). I hope it's enough to keep me from sharing a similar story someday!

That's me to a T :D
 
WonderNine, I've used that excuse before.

So far, I've been lucky. I've pulled the trigger on my GP one day while practicing in the back 40 (I was really young, 22 or so when this happened) as I was bringing the gun down to aim and shoot. I don't know how close to my head my hand and the gun were. The gun was pointed away from me TG.

I was curious (this was just last weekend) if my decocker on my CZ-52 worked. It "looked like" it worked when I tried it unloaded so I loaded it and tried it. Yes, I did and have read the CZ sites that tell you that the decockers don't always work. I did this in the house, muzzle pointed at floor, but still, stupid.

And my excuse for both bouts of stupidity: I was loaded as well :banghead:

M
 
My ND story, I pulled the hammer back and did the twirly thing with a loaded Ruger Single Six.

Did something similar with my .357 Blackhawk, at least it was loaded with shotshells. A new picture frame, a can of spackle and a gallon of paint fixed the wall. (I was trying the finger-in-the-trigger-guard-&-fake-hand-it-over, then snap it up, cock and quick-fire, like in some of the 50's-60's TV westerns).

Teen-aged hunting buddy shot a hole in tail-gate of another buddy's pick-up. Made sure that his Ithica was empty by cycling action...3 shells out. "...See, it's empty....BOOM! ! ! (Yes, a 'heavy field load' of #5's will go through both sides of a '63 Chevy tailgate when fired from inside the bed of truck.)
 
We have all done dumb things. Thanks for having the courage to share your story to remind us all 1) always be safe, and 2) fill the house, car, and range with porcelain plates.

Be safe...
 
Obviously, you've learned your lesson. Thankfully, it didn't cost you your elbow or your neighbor! Thanks for sharing and keeping the rest of us on our toes. Stay safe.
 
Glad you and the neighbor weren't hurt.


The four rules of gun safety...


Boon to those who observe them, but bane to those who ignore... ;)
 
I am 54, and I have had two nd's in my life. The first was very young, after wounding a pheasant I tried to run after him across the rows of picked corn, predictably I fell on my face, luckily, I landed with my single shot shotgun pointed straight up, unluckily, I had my thumb on the hammer, and my finger on the trigger. :uhoh: I learned many lessons.

The second was after showing some friends a beretta 92f I reloaded it, and instead of using the decocker, I grabbed the hammer between thumb and first finger, pulled the trigger and the hammer slipped. I was sitting cross legged on a bed, with it pointed down a few inches in front of me, so no one was injured. I am still learning:eek:
 
Thanks for your posts i apreciate your concern and comments, thankfully this is the only accident ive had. hopefully the only one. keep it up.

W.A.


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Even though this doesn't count as a accidental discharge, it still was not one of my brighter moments:

All of my guns are stripped and cleaned promptly after being shot, so I never have a loaded gun in my safe (yeah, that was what I thought, anyway). I still always (well, I thought always) checked each firearm, whenever I pulled one out. Well, my brother was having problems with the front sight on his MAK-90, so he dropped it off for me to check out (you can see where this is going). After jacking around with his front sight for a few minutes (which included me looking at the rifle from the muzzle end), it dawned on me that I never checked the chamber. I racked the slide, and what do ya know, out popped an unfired round! I've always been very big on saftey, and still can barley believe my lapse of sense. Needless to say, I have a new system: I never pick up a firearm without clearing the chamber, period. I thank God that what could have been, never was.
 
Two kinds of people: 1. those who have had NDs; 2. those who have not yet had NDs.

I'm in #2, fearing my entry ordeal into #1.

This reminds me of a motorcycle saying...

"There are 3 types of riders, those that have crashed, those that will crash, and those that will crash again"
 
WA,

Your misfortune is a wake up call for me to pay closer attention to what I am doing when I have the toys out. I admire you for having the cojones to come out and share your ND story with us.

I have yet to experience an ND but all that means is that the odds are stacking against me.

The silver lining of all this is: Now you know that the 9mm is a feeble round that is stopped by dinner plates ;)
 
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