Neighbor slays assailant

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Here's a clear cut case of defense of another (no pun intended).

After killing, man is shot by neighbor, deputies say
Man fatally stabs uncle, then is shot by neighbor, police say
By Stan Oklobdzija - [email protected].

Two men lay dead in the streets of a gated El Dorado Hills community Sunday after a man bent on destruction attacked family members with a knife, killing his uncle before being felled by a neighbor's gun, authorities said.

The mayhem broke out at about 2:30 p.m. in the 1000 block of Venezia Drive in the upscale Promontory development near the Sacramento County line.

El Dorado County Sheriff's Department investigators said a man in his 30s, visiting the home of Vahid Seyedin, 47, suddenly turned violent, trying to slash his wrists with "a metal object," before grabbing a large kitchen knife and threatening others in the house.

The residents fled for their lives into the street with the man, whose name is not being released, in close pursuit. In the intersection of Venezia Drive and Aria Court, the man caught his uncle, Ahmad Pazeky, 58, and stabbed him to death.

The man also stabbed Seyedin, who rushed to Pazeky's aid, a sheriff's office press release said.

Seyedin's next-door neighbor, Shahin Kohan, 47, was exercising in his garage when he saw the horrific scene unfold, investigators and witnesses said.

Kohan retrieved a handgun, then ran to the street and yelled for the assailant to stop.

A woman, who identified herself as Seyedin's wife but didn't want to give her first name, said Monday that the family was screaming for help.

"Shoot him, he's killing us!" she said they were yelling. "Shoot him, he's killing us!"

Kohan fired two warning shots before shooting the man once, a sheriff's press release said.

Sheriff's deputies, responding to a 911 call from the house, arrived to find the assailant lying in the roadway, still holding the knife. Deputies ordered him to put down the knife, and when he didn't comply, they shot him with a Taser, sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Bryan Golmitz said.

After the man dropped the knife, efforts began to revive him and Pazeky, but "both subjects died on the scene," the press release said.

Seyedin was treated for unspecified injuries at Mercy Folsom Hospital and released.

Seyedin's wife, standing in her doorway Monday with tears in her eyes, said her husband was injured and Pazeky was killed trying to stop their relative.

"It was stupid," she said.

Golmitz said investigators aren't releasing the assailant's identity pending notification of his next of kin, who are believed to be out of the country.

He said Pazeky was visiting from Orange County and that the initial investigation indicates the nephew was too.

Though it appears the nephew died from the gunshot wound, the cause of death will officially be determined by autopsy this week, Golmitz said.

Seyedin's wife said the nephew had a history of "chemical imbalance" but had been doing fine the past several months.

Kohan, the neighbor whose shot felled the knife-wielding man, was briefly detained on suspicion of murder but released following a review of the circumstances, the sheriff's office said.

Reached at his home Monday, Kohan declined to comment, saying "it's not a good time."

The development of two-story stucco homes just south of the Folsom Lake State Recreation Area is accessible only through two metal gates, which require a code to open. Some area homes are offered for sale at more than $900,000.

Dave Wiefels, who lives on Aria Court, said he came home at 4 p.m. to find his street roped off.

"The bodies were right there in the street," he said.

Wiefels said he didn't know the Seyedins but still found the experience traumatic.

Especially troubling to him was that a bullet fired during the altercation lodged in the chassis of a neighbor's truck, he said.

"A kid could have gotten hit," he said.

Lynn Putman, a Realtor, said she arrived home from showing a house to find bodies in the street and a sobbing woman rocking back and forth in a neighboring yard.

She was worried, she said. When she and her husband, Steve, moved into the development about six months ago, safety was a "No. 1 concern." "When you come to a gated community, it's what you expect," she said.

"It's disturbing," said Steve Putman, "but everyone eventually took it in stride. It's not because we're a bad area."

Mark Stromberg lives a few houses from the corner where the mayhem took place. He said he was inside and didn't know what had happened until a sheriff's deputy knocked on his door.

Stromberg said he stepped out of his house and "saw the kind of thing you see on the 6 o'clock news, not something you see 150 feet from your door."

Stromberg said he's thanking God the incident didn't happen a half-hour earlier when he was out in the yard.

Instead of Kohan shooting the assailant, "it could have been me with my rifle," he said.
 
Sad story, but it could have been much, much worse
yeah. The attitude of the shooter was good as well...2 warning shots...
worried about collateral damage...but made the final choice.
Not exactly a Rambo character, and that's a good thing.
 
Mark Stromberg lives a few houses from the corner where the mayhem took place. He said he was inside and didn't know what had happened until a sheriff's deputy knocked on his door.

Stromberg said he stepped out of his house and "saw the kind of thing you see on the 6 o'clock news, not something you see 150 feet from your door."

Stromberg said he's thanking God the incident didn't happen a half-hour earlier when he was out in the yard.

Instead of Kohan shooting the assailant, "it could have been me with my rifle," he said.

Wow you don't here that every day, especial in Comiefornia.
 
Dave Wiefels, who lives on Aria Court, said he came home at 4 p.m. to find his street roped off.

"The bodies were right there in the street," he said.

Wiefels said he didn't know the Seyedins but still found the experience traumatic.

Especially troubling to him was that a bullet fired during the altercation lodged in the chassis of a neighbor's truck, he said.

"A kid could have gotten hit," he said.

Aliens could have landed too, but they didn't.

And yes the warning shot might have been a bad idea, but the murdering rampage was stopped, that's what matters.
 
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I don't know about firing warning shots in a neighborhood. The bullets are going to go somewhere...
 
Gated communities may keep some of the criminal/undesireable element out, but that doesn't keep somebody who lives there, or a visiting relative, from going nuts. Very sad story.
 
Warning shots are reckless.

Had it been me and I seen him stabbing a victim I wouldn't of wasted time on warning shots. I'd of put 2 in him and kept going until he stopped swinging the knife. No sense on wasting 2 good rounds on warning shots.
 
Seems like there are more crazy people going crazy than there used to be...

I disagree, we just have way better communications now. We hear about everything that happens all over the world, but people have been going crazy and stabbing each other forever.
 
A "warning shot" I believe could be warranted if you don't have a clean shot by being too far away or at a bad angle with the hope of attracting the attacker's attention away from their victim until you can get into a better position. Of course you would still have to take care where the shot is aimed.

An knife attack in Memphis was stopped just by a bystander drawing a gun, no shot's fired.
 
CountGlockula -

I think the reference was to the Californian saying "It could have been me with my rifle." THAT doesn't happen in California very often. But yeah, a lot of us are still not buying into the nanny state.

Edit: Since the original post was edited, I'll just add that it was lucky that the situation unfolded as it did, and that nobody else was killed. It must be hard for that family to deal with that awful situation.
 
The warning shots were a bad idea. Verbal commands if any warning whatsoever, then hit the attacker. If he had already killed one person and was attacking a second one, verbal commands or warnings waste valuable time.
 
Sheriff's deputies, responding to a 911 call from the house, arrived to find the assailant lying in the roadway, still holding the knife. Deputies ordered him to put down the knife, and when he didn't comply, they shot him with a Taser, sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Bryan Golmitz said.
:scrutiny:

He was lying in the street bleeding from a gunshot wound and they still tazed him? That's cold.
 
Warning shots are usually evidence of not having needed to draw a firearm. The sole justification for drawing is firing...firing to stop the attack.
 
He was lying in the street bleeding from a gunshot wound and they still tazed him? That's cold.

No, it's not. Once he's down AND HARMLESS, the cops become first responders who are supposed to give him medical aid. How can they try to save his life, if he's still trying to cut anybody who comes near him? They were trying to save him from dying, and if that meant that they had to taze him for refusing to drop the knife so that they could do their best at first aid on him, then that's all on him.

Just like the responsibility for the whole situation rests on the violent individual.
 
"A kid could have gotten hit," he said.

This is a reporter trying to find a controversial angle to the story. Probably interviewed everybody on the block looking for a line to troll with. Conversation probably sounded like this:

"How do you feel about the stray bullet that wound up in your neighbor's car, just fifty feet away from your house?"
"Well, it's pretty scary. I mean, a kid could have gotten hit, but I'm glad the guy got stopped."

When I teach journalism, I demand that my students give me full quotes of at least two sentences, not some BS one-liners that can be easily yanked out of context.

K

and by the way, there are a lot more sheepdogs in CA than one might think. we've just gotten really good at blending in with the sheep out of necessity.
 
Silver,
I still perfer the term "Merchant Marauder", definitely not a sheeple here.

I live and work in classified areas and for the most part they can be high stress. Seemingly regular people are put under TREMENDOUS stress to perform because they do good/great work of course when you set for asinine schedule and performance goals people will undoubtly fall short. Some of these people who have worked and sacarificed ALOT for these companies sometimes pop a cog. Unfortunately i've been witness to several of these happening. Its a sad commentary on the workplace.
-bix
 
Kohan, the neighbor whose shot felled the knife-wielding man, was briefly detained on suspicion of murder but released following a review of the circumstances, the sheriff's office said.

Am I to understand that the police questioned Kohan not in the context of a homicide investigation but as a murder suspect?????

Either this is another example of shoddy journalism by a reporter who doesn't know the difference between the two, or law enforcement intended to made it damn clear to Mr. Kohan, and anyone else in their jurisdiction, that they didn't appreciate civilian intervention in a law enforcement matter.
 
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