New .416 Barrett?

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There's a decent article in the new Tactical Weapons 2006 Annual that Barrett puts out. It looks like a wildcat off of a cut down 50BMG casing. Looks like (if my math is correct) it works out to 10.5x83mm vs. the 50's 12.7x99mm with a 400gr round pushed by 200grs of powder.
 
Read the SOF article yesterday in Border's. 400gr turned solid projectile (wonder what those cost?) BC of .989, MV 3300 fps 29" barrell. They started developing it before the California thing, that is just a bonus in timing. It is for civilian long range target shooting, military long range sniping (competes with .338 Lapua/408 Chey-tac) and some hunters I guess-I don't hunt so I don't know the best hunting application for something like this.

Gun writer got 2" groups at 200 yards with it in 30mph gusty winds. It's at least a solid MOA gun. I can certainly believe 1/2 MOA with good loads and calm conditions.
 
strambo said:
... It is for civilian long range target shooting, military long range sniping (competes with .338 Lapua/408 Chey-tac) and some hunters I guess-I don't hunt so I don't know the best hunting application for something like this. ...

TRex :D
 
I have no doubt it'll be an accurate combination.

Of course, I saw a stack of those .416 Barrett barrels getting finished at a certain premium cut-rifling barrel manufacturer in south-eastern Wisconsin. (Got the story on them as I was interviewing for my post-retirement job there)

They sure looked nice. That's still over 200gr of powder per each case, so I'd really have to budget well for one and the reloading setup... ;)
 
416 Barrett,408 CheyTec, 338 Laupa, and my"wildcat" contribution the 45 ProLong

While I haven't purchased the magazine with this newest XL range "flat" shooting Sniper round. I believe it was also outlined in SOF as well as a few other magazines. I am all for new 339 Laupa, 408 CheyTec and any other XL sniper/Objective scoped rifle Medium Large range. From what I recall the 416 Barrett is a necked down 50 BMG using a hand turned solid projectile in the 3300 to 3500fps. I even recall talking with people from the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association, and "VERY HIGH POWER" Magazine regarding necked down 20mm cannon cases to 50 BMG 750 gr projectile(+/-) at 3500 fps + "flat" shooting 50 projectile. I even have my own I call the 45 Pro-Long. Its a spin of of LeMag Industries 45 Professional which uses 230 grain 45 acp projectiles out of modified 270 ( and/or other case). With an overall length using the 230 FMJ Ball equal to a 223/5.56x41mm NATO round. Achieving velocity of nearly 3000 fps of an 18" barrel. Another author's in depth article showed an average during testing resulting 2950 fps. But with the 45 acp FMJ ball/truncate/HP/etc...Drag was a major issue for anything "long range".
My" solution" was a projectile ( also hand turned with extreme high coefficient/low drag still in the 200 gr to 250 gr ballpark. Thus allowing a 338 Laupa ballistic ( 250 gr @ 3000 fps ..Plus of course a slightly larger dia. To be fired out of a modified AR-10...with a few modifications. The standard 7.62 x 51 NATO (.308 win) round made for a too short round. So the AR-10 needed some slight modifications. Cutting and extending the length of the magazine well to be able to use modified BAR mags. While this wasn't a cheap process....not at all. It fit right in with the higher end bolt sniper rifles, and less then a Barrett Light 50. Achieving a 30.06 length AR-10 with a 20" Titanium alloy barrel, bolt face, etc. Which has a MOA of 1" to 1.5" (on good days I need someone with much more experience building Match barrels. I take all the blame for the 2 MOA+ which works out to 30+ inches at larger then 1500 meters) On a prototype I can live with that. But to compete with others in this class.Performance needs to be 1 inch or less). Only time and funding will tell this story. But as soon as this project materialized along ca the 408 CheyTec, and now the 416 Barrett. But I figure competition between all of these plus the 338 Laupa will be a good thing. Hopefully the best of these 1500 meter Sniper/Objective Scoped rifles Medium Heavy/even a GPMG with an enlarged SHRIKE
belt and magazine feed upper. Which would work great for an AR family weapon. Could be something interesting. or at least I hope interesting enough for further investigation? When all is said, and done. I just hope the troops get the bestof the new...newer class of XL Range rifle systems. They are the ones who deserve such the most.
Feel free to email me regarding this, or any such topic
Sincerely,
JeffreyWarren
 
Define hand turned bullet, please.

Is that a bullet that has been cut down on a lathe to the required dimensions? What material are they made from?
 
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I mean....there can't be a huge market left in Cali for .50BMG or similar rifles.....not enough for Barrett to bank on unless he charges huge sums of money for these things.

I don't have a citation for it, but I've heard that even with all of the restrictive gun laws, California is the biggest market for firearms in the US.
 
I picked up a mag put out by Barrett, and basically he claims it was in development before the cali ban. It does only require a barrel change, and it is designed to take advantage of the currently available big game .416 bullets. I also think they said recoil wasn't bad, and I want to say it was a little less than .50 BMG, but I'm not sure.
 
I think hand turned means machined from solid copper rod one at a time on a lathe, as opposed to drawn and swaged on an automated machine
 
From the ad for the Model 99-416 in the April 2006 AMerican Rifleman:

"The California Legislature has banned the .50 BMG from the good citizens of the state of California violating their rights and the constitution of our republic. Therefore, Barrett will not sell to or service any California government agencies."

:)

I'm going to save up some $$ and someday support Barrett with a purchase. What a great company!
 
230 grain 45 acp projectiles out of modified 270 ( and/or other case).
Hmmm . . . this won't leave any shoulder left for headspacing, on a case with little taper. Both feeding and extraction sound as if they could be a little touchy. Sounds like the case length will have to be very closely controlled, with headspacing on the case mouth, too.
. . .a projectile ( also hand turned with extreme high coefficient/low drag still in the 200 gr to 250 gr ballpark. Thus allowing a 338 Laupa ballistic ( 250 gr @ 3000 fps ..Plus of course a slightly larger dia.
Must be a really interesting bullet if it's got the same ballistics as a .338 Lapua . . . I just don't see how you'd achieve in a .45 the same BC as with a .338 of the same weight, assuming the .338 is using an efficient design.
 
Sounds like an excellent opportunity for someone with some garage space and a Brown & Sharpe "00" to make some bullets. I used to work in a small job shop that made a brass bushing. A similar process could easily make a boat-tail profile and keep .005" over a few thousand ops.

Now if I can just convince the wife this would be a good sideline for me to set up...
 
the articles ive read on it, it is a proprietary round , designed by ronnie himself, the case i think is a lapua concoction, made to ronnies specs, and it is supposed to outdo all the other 4 something rounds in speed, accuracy, and energy downrange, while staying in a platform that is not overwhelmingly huge or heavy.
 
Bullet from Barretts page

Their page has geekitis and needs some fat fingering fixed.

Here's a direct link that may work

http://www.barrettrifles.com/images/16_bullets.jpg

And I'm putting the picture here
16_bullets.jpg
 
On future weapons they had the new .416 competing with the .50 cal. They had a target located 2500 yards out. It took 3 shots for the .50 to get on target and it only took one shot to get on target with the .416. The .416 round is super sonic beyond 1 mile. From what they showed on TV it looked like the .416 casing was an inch shorter than the .50. The .416 looks like an impressive round.
 
Yes it has some impressive specifications as a sniper weapon. Consistency from first shot to last is what most makers are seeking as it's what is required.

Based on the size of the round they may actually be able to reduce the weight of a purpose built rifle which will be a plus.
 
Reduce the weight? NOT! They're using a standard M99 as the platform and any other manufacturer will have to build a receiver large enough to accommodate a .50 BMG case.

This is just hype for the .416, I'm wondering what the behind the scenes view would show on how many rounds it took to get both rifles on at 2,500 yards. In any case it still was some good shooting to hit the target that far away.
 
The 416 Barrett is not a necked down 50 BMG. the entire case is of different dimensions, and based on a photo of the two side by side, may be entirely proprietary.
it holds 200 grains of a "proprietary propellant" so so far they arent even releasing load data.
Doing a Google search brought up a "Combat Engineer" page with the photos, and some data.
Sounds like a nice round for terrorist extermination.
 
.416 Barret

Is indeed a necked down .50 BMG. It remains supersonic much further down range than the standard .50 BMG. Hope this helps. I don't have a chart on it as of yet.
 
I don't hunt so I don't know the best hunting application for something like this. ...

well, if CA passes some sort of pro-cloning legislation, maybe we can breed woolly mammoths again and hunt them. Mmm... mammoth burgers...
 
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