i have narrowed down my choices to a new 870 tactical or a benelli nova tactical. i was driven to buy an 870 but i have heard rumors that the new ones arnt very good. is this true should i look at buying a different kind like the benelli nova? any real proof or side by side comparisons would be very helpful thank you.
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I am not aware of any real problems with the 870 Expresses, but a lot of people complain because they are not finished like the Wingmasters of years past. Beretta uses a plastic trigger housing and it's innovative; Remington uses one and it's cheap - what the !?
The gun is built to a price point. If you want top quality get a Police model. If you want to save money get an Express. If you like the Benelli better, get it. A lot of people like the Mossbergs. We are talking pump guns, not Purdeys. They all pretty much work as long as the user does.
The gun is built to a price point. If you want top quality get a Police model. If you want to save money get an Express. If you like the Benelli better, get it. A lot of people like the Mossbergs. We are talking pump guns, not Purdeys. They all pretty much work as long as the user does.
IMHO the Express tactical guns are nice shotguns. They come with all of the bells and whistles already installed. I paid a hundred dollars for an extension for a gun, this comes on the tactical.
It seems some people love to disparage the new Remingtons but they are like any other shotgun. Know how to maintain them and take care of them and they will last forever.
It seems some people love to disparage the new Remingtons but they are like any other shotgun. Know how to maintain them and take care of them and they will last forever.
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both nice guns. why arent you considering Mossberg? I've owned plenty of 870s and Mossbergs, and I ended up at the Mossberg after a lot of trial and error. I feel 870's are vastly overpriced for what you get. They're great guns, but they definitely do have their drawbacks. Don't believe they are above reproach. I like other pumpguns besides the two as well, but if you plan on using your gun a lot and doing different things with it, the 870 and the 500/590 are really the only viable options these days sadly.
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man I hate to be "that guy", but Mossberg 590, sorry.
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MADJOHN, i also heard some negative stuff about 870's, usually that they don't eject the empty shell. I bought an 870 express and the first box i put through it 3 of 25 didn't eject so i took the gun apart and there was still packing grease along with lint/dust/hair/dirt inside (the gun was made in '95) i cleaned it up and on Thanksgiving day put 2 boxes through it with no problems, its a wonderful gun.
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870 is way better then Mossbergs i have shot many pump shotguns over the years my favorite is the 870 Express at least it has wood, most Mossbergs are made of recycled plastic 
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Mossbergs are made of recycled plastic?
Factual statement there. Your posts will be highly valued. Your opinion treated like fact! LOL @ some people
A wooden shotgun huh? Seems like it might catch on fire.
Not going to get into this little go around. Both are great guns. I prefer the Mossberg, but before I could come to that conclusion, I had to educate myself beyond a point at which you are evidently at. Not trying to violate THR's spirit here, but someone says something that isn't true as if it is fact, they need to stand corrected.
Factual statement there. Your posts will be highly valued. Your opinion treated like fact! LOL @ some people
A wooden shotgun huh? Seems like it might catch on fire.
Not going to get into this little go around. Both are great guns. I prefer the Mossberg, but before I could come to that conclusion, I had to educate myself beyond a point at which you are evidently at. Not trying to violate THR's spirit here, but someone says something that isn't true as if it is fact, they need to stand corrected.
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I've never had any issue what so ever with my newer 870. Hundreds and hundreds of rounds down range without a hiccup. The only issue I have had is that I over tightened the mag extension and it would not except the final 6th shell in the tube. That was as as easy of a fix as simply backing off on the tightening ring
Plastic stocks and trigger guards bother me none the least. I don't see what difference the guard material makes. Both keep your finger or other object from depressing the trigger reducing the unwanted bang-bangs. Heck, I used to have an old single shot 12 gauge that would cut your finger with its metal trigger guard. Never had that issue with the 870.
Plastic stocks and trigger guards bother me none the least. I don't see what difference the guard material makes. Both keep your finger or other object from depressing the trigger reducing the unwanted bang-bangs. Heck, I used to have an old single shot 12 gauge that would cut your finger with its metal trigger guard. Never had that issue with the 870.
I have a supernova and love it. very smooth and nice quality but i paid over a hundred more than an 870. But when I go shooting my shotgun wont get lost in the sea of 870's.
dont get me wrong though i will probably by an 870 too.
dont get me wrong though i will probably by an 870 too.
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...have both. The 870 is tried and true but Benelli is coming on strong with their innovative design. The Super Nova is an inexpensive way to get into shooting everything from 2 3/4 to 3 1/2. With an extra barrel or two you've got everything from a good HD gun to a potent duck/goose killer.
I really think that it depends on what you are looking for out of the gun. The nova shouldered and gave a sight picture really fast. But all the add ons are more expensive and the receiver shell is the grip, so you have to buy a whole receiver to change the grip, but I find the regular nova grip quite comfortable, not to mention the novas have very positive extraction. The 870 is a solid design and is reliable but both mossberg and remington pull out some lemons every once in awhile. Although I think the 590 a1 series is a cut above your regular mossberg 500. Most companies have some QC problems but remington and the 590's are solid construction and even the 500 is a great gun and many people have relied on them for years and years. Another option is the norinco 982 which is an 870 clone with some minor improvements like a solid none slotted lifter and a stronger breach. You can get an 870 copy for 180 bucks or so. Everyone has seemed very happy with their's just seems you have to lock tight the ghost ring sight screws down and you have a gun as good or better than remington can make.
When I started out learning shotgun, I put 150 rounds through the barrel of a Mossberg 500 in a defensive shotgun class. In those 150 rounds, using the shotgun for decently intensive shooting with proper form, I learned a lot about what does and does not fit me ergonomically. After the class, I went to a gun shop and held a Remington 870 and it solved a number of issues I was having with my Mossberg.
So my answer is that each person really needs to learn what features are important to them. My advice? Go buy a cheap pump shotgun (Mossberg Maverick?), shoot it a bunch, learn something about yourself, and then find the one that really fits you. Neither of those brands are poorly made.
But if you want a recommendation, I do find the Remington 870 to be quite nice. The action is much smoother than my the Mossberg 500. I do not know how a Benlli feels.
So my answer is that each person really needs to learn what features are important to them. My advice? Go buy a cheap pump shotgun (Mossberg Maverick?), shoot it a bunch, learn something about yourself, and then find the one that really fits you. Neither of those brands are poorly made.
But if you want a recommendation, I do find the Remington 870 to be quite nice. The action is much smoother than my the Mossberg 500. I do not know how a Benlli feels.
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What you need is one of those new Chinese Norinco 870 clones. Those things are WAY better than any 870 or Mossberg 5-series. For a knowledgeable, discerning shotgun owner like you only the best should suffice.
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Hello friends and neighbors // I have 870 Ex. but know nothing of Benilli nova.
The only thing I don't like about my 2009 870 Express Tactical, 12ga. 6+1 w/ Ghost ring sights is the slickness of the forearm.
When shooting 3"slugs or 00buck you had better lick your fingers and hold on or be wearing gloves.
I've never had a feeding problem with Remington 00,slug,#4 or Winchester #6,#7,#8. I can't say about other ammo.
Good luck finding what suits you.
The only thing I don't like about my 2009 870 Express Tactical, 12ga. 6+1 w/ Ghost ring sights is the slickness of the forearm.
When shooting 3"slugs or 00buck you had better lick your fingers and hold on or be wearing gloves.
I've never had a feeding problem with Remington 00,slug,#4 or Winchester #6,#7,#8. I can't say about other ammo.
Good luck finding what suits you.
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Then buy an old one and save yourself some money.
I just sold an older 870 Wingmaster on Gunbroker that is going to make it's new owner very very happy. And, if he takes decent care of it, it will work just as well for his grandchildren.
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flip a coin....pump shotguns arent though to make! they have gotten it down by now im sure! handle both and see what you like! otherwise take the best deal.
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870.. I am very happy with mine
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My recommendation to you if you can afford it is to purchase a Benelli autoloader(tactical model). They are expensive but well worth the money. Otherwise you could buy a Remington 870 Express pump and keep things basic. I have both but I keep my Benelli in a gun rack in my truck. It has never failed to cycle any type of shell that I've shot through it because it uses a recoil operating system instead of being gas operated.
http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php
http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php
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Before you listen to any of us here, go to a range or club and TRY as many as you can. That does NOT mention hold, fondle, point it at the ceiling - it means borrow/rent and SHOOT them - with as many types of ammo as you envision using and see which one fits the best (or will be the easiest to make fit the best), and which one you like the best
Then buy it and a car-load of ammo and practice
Then buy it and a car-load of ammo and practice
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