New 9 mm CZ

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Dec 23, 2013
Messages
224
Location
Brazoria County, TX
I am considering getting a new CZ75B SA (single action). How does anyone that has shot one and a SA/DA rate the trigger. Not a CW nor a HD, just a range gun. I like it because it reminds me of 1911 of which I have some, though never enough. How about reliability? The price is right so I can take a chance and if I don't like it, sell and take a loss.
 
I've had one and shot several others. Some come with a good trigger, some with a mediocre trigger, but they can be tuned pretty easily. Unlike the DA/SA guns, there's not as much improvement with dry-firing or a lot of rounds fired. I hear everything from complaints to raves about the out-of-the-box trigger. If you can examine one before you buy, you can avoid a hassle.

The SA model can be had with a two-way adjustable trigger that lets you reduce take-up to almost nothing, and reduce overtravel, as well. If it doesn't come that way (with THAT type of trigger), you may want to see about getting the trigger.

The SA is not physically the same as a standard 75B: it has larger, ambidextrous safeties, a larger, extended beavertail, and the slide is slightly different. I think the mags will drop fee, too.

You can buy the SA models from the CZ Custom Shop with action work already done and, have it shipped to an FFL in your area, and you'll probably never have to tweak it again. Or you can with CAJUN GUN WORKS, to get some after-market parts, do it yourself, or have CGW do the work. Either way you'll end up with a superior gun that will probably not need anything in the future. WWW.CAJUNGUNWORKS.COM)

The Witness line offers some pretty nice SA guns, too -- same basic gun (i.e., the CZ pattern) but little true interchangeability of parts. Then too, some of the Turkish-made gusn (also built on the CZ pattern) are pretty nice. The big advantage of the CZ is that CZcustomer service is much better. Chances are you won't need to use CS with any of these guns.
 
Walt Sherrill pretty much summed it up. Handle it first and see if actually feels good in your hands and if the trigger is some what to your liking. The trigger can be modified very similar to a 1911 with upgrades from CZ Custom or Cajun Gun Works. Even with a simple polishing job you will feel a noticeable difference. You won't have to worry about selling it if you don't like it because you will like it. In seriousness, it should sell quick if you don't end up liking it. CZ's can be addicting like 1911's :cool:
 
If it fits your hand, and it probably will, buy it. They are fantastic shooters. I think you will be amazed.
 
I bought a new model CZ75 D w/the de cocker and love it! It shoots very good w/my reloads and has a nice trigger and the first digit of my for finger fits wright on the money!:)
 
I have a CZ 75 SA. Out of the box the trigger was superb and got even better(!) the more I shot it. Accurate, super reliable, fits my hand like a glove--I LOVE that gun.
 
I've had numerous CZ 75s and can only think of one that had a so-so trigger - a decocker model (PCR).

The SA is a sweet shooter. CZ quality is top notch.
 
I have the CZ 85 Combat on the way.

Dang Buds is taking too long! It's not SA only, but the FPB is removed so the trigger should be even better than normal.

That said, has anyone shot both of those options?
 
I had an pre-B surplus 75 and frankly I can't even tell the firing pin block is there in my newer ones as the triggers are so crisp at the break.

The 75B "omega" trigger has an really smooth pull... less parts in the design apparently.
 
I put a SAO trigger in my SP-01, and the only way to get a trigger similar to a 1911 is to also get a competition hammer, then you'll have to remove the firing pin block safety [if it has one]. Probably some other bits of tuning as well. It ultimately will be a rather pricey gun [relatively], but will be nice.
 
I don't remember the details, but do remember reading comments by 'smiths who have done it, that removing the firing pin block, which helps the trigger, requires some other adjustments -- just taking it out isn't enough. Anybody know about the missing details? (Maybe I just got it wrong.) I no longer have that SA model, and the only CZ I have at the momen is an 85 Combat (sans FPB.)

The 75B SA I owned had previously been very-well gunsmithed, with all the internal linkage and parts polished. The slide felt like it was on ball-bearings. You didn't really know that the firing pin block was still installed when using the trigger.

I think Cajun Gun Works has a parts kit that might help in other ways, as well.
 
remove the FP block, remove or grind off the FP Block lifter arm (if it's removed, a spacer is needed in it's place), and removing the disconnector. To finish it off as a good SA, the Comp Hammer or CGW Race Hammer is needed along with a straight trigger.

I also agree that with proper polishing, the FPB doesn't add any roughness or pull weight , but does necessarily add a small amount of trigger pull distance. A lighter spring for the FPB is available to further reduce the "feel & weight" of the FPB engagement.

I have a worked 75B DA/SA with the FPB and a Custom 75 Shadow DA/SA without a FPB, and both have Competition Hammers. The actual DA/SA trigger pull weights are almost identical (5.5 and 5 and both 2.8 pounds), The SA pull distance is noticeably shorter on the Shadow that has the short reset disconnector.
 
Last edited:
I actually think that my trigger pull is TOO light. Just a hair's breath over 2 lbs. I have wondered if there is a way to increase it to almost 4 lbs.? I wonder if the hammer has a too short of ledge where the sear connects with it, or perhaps a spring that is too light? Not sure of the weight of the hammer spring. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to get it back, but not sure if adding a heavier spring would increase the trigger pull or not.
 
Must be in the air...

A year ago I stumbled across a CZ-85 Combat at a LGS. Me being a lefty, I jumped on it. I loved the ambi controls, SA cock and lock, and the ergonomics of the pistol. Unfortunately I convinced myself that I needed a Glock 19 and sold her to fund the Glock.
Regretted it almost immediately.

Last night a bout of restlessness caused me to order a CZ-85b from Buds! Perfect pistols that will last forever!

Now to get some vs grips and CGW tune. Luckily I kept the 85 holster.
 
I actually think that my trigger pull is TOO light. Just a hair's breath over 2 lbs. I have wondered if there is a way to increase it to almost 4 lbs.? I wonder if the hammer has a too short of ledge where the sear connects with it, or perhaps a spring that is too light? Not sure of the weight of the hammer spring. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to get it back, but not sure if adding a heavier spring would increase the trigger pull or not.
Getting a stiffer hammer spring on your SAO triggered SP-01 will not change the trigger pull weight. But it will 'slow' the slide as it recoils back since there will be more resistance to the cocking action the slide performs. The gun's perceived recoil will change and you might have to retune your handloads.

To increase your pull from 2# to 4# you will likely have to have the sear/hammer hook geometry changed...so new parts then, and a good gunsmith.
 
I suspect you might notice some increase in the trigger weight with a much heavier hammer spring -- but it may not give you what you want. It might be worth trying a much heavier hammer spring, as the springs aren't that expensive (and going that route is certainly less expensive than gunsmith work or a new sear). Wolff Springs is a good source. (http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto%20Pistols/CZ/75%20Series/cID1/mID16/dID91) Scroll way down to the bottom. Hammer springs for the full-size guns range from 15 lbs. to 26 lbs.

As noted above, however, the crispness (and lightness) of the trigger is often a function of the geometry of the hammer/sear interface and how well those two components are polished or stoned and how much metal has been removed. (You can easily make a trigger LIGHTER by going to a lighter hammer spring, but ignition isn't always guaranteed with that sort of "trigger job.") When there's been trigger/action work done, UNIMPROVING the trigger isn't as easy. :)
 
Walt,
I thought when you go with a hammer spring at 15 lb or less you just get the extended firing pin, from CZcustom or CGW, and are good to go.
 
Walt,
I thought when you go with a hammer spring at 15 lb or less you just get the extended firing pin, from CZcustom or CGW, and are good to go.

That may well be the case. I have only read about that CGW innovation. But David Milam seems to be a wizard on anything having to do with CZ-pattern guns. There weren't any "extended firing pins" available when I was really into CZs, some years back. (I still like CZs, but have other interests as well.)

I was responding in a more-general sense when I said that weaker hammer springs can result in light striker/poor primer ignition. (I've never reduced hammer springs enough in the CZs I've owned to encounter the problem, but have had it with various other guns, including some Third Gen. S&Ws and one SIG.)
 
Last edited:
You may be able to increase the SA pull by 4-5 ozs or maybe a little more by:
1. Increase the trigger spring weight: Buy a new trigger spring and bend the tangs slightly to 'increase' the tension. Only change is pull weight
2. Buy a new sear spring and do the same. Only change is pull weight
3. Add a couple of pounds to the hammer spring weight. This won't significantly slow the slide.
These will all creep the weight up some without changing the feel or function noticeably..
 
Hammer springs sure make a difference on my CZ. With the the 13lb spring the trigger is too dang light. Makes me nervous sometimes. And the break seems kinda spongey feeling. Go back to the stock main spring (something like 19 or 20 lbs) and things feel just right.
 
I have the CZ 75B standard DA/SA - liked the idea of
Condition One/Cocked and Locked as an option since my
primary cary is a 1911. I find the thumb safety on the CZ
small and stiff to operate. I just dropthe hammer manually
for a first DA shot then SA. Trigger reset is adaptable to
'course I'm spoiled with the 1911s I have.... however, I like
the CZ 75, very accurate and uber reliable - easy to field
strip as well.

Randall
 
Mine is CS-75BD decocker model SA/DA already more than 7 years never had a problem.
Shoot out of box perfectly, added double spring from ZAhal to reduce recoil, much better than standard.
 
I have the CZ 75B standard DA/SA - liked the idea of
Condition One/Cocked and Locked as an option since my
primary cary is a 1911. I find the thumb safety on the CZ
small and stiff to operate. I just dropthe hammer manually
for a first DA shot then SA. Trigger reset is adaptable to
'course I'm spoiled with the 1911s I have.... however, I like
the CZ 75, very accurate and uber reliable - easy to field
strip as well.

Randall

Add some CGW parts and it will have the potential to be just as good as your 1911 trigger
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top