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  1. Alliant Reloading

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    Guys,
    We just introduced this new fast burning pistol powder yesterday at the SHOT Show. Some of you may recall I had hinted about it in a thread on "New Bullseye(R)", but the chemistry of Sport Pistol(TM) is not similar to Bullseye at all.
    Attached are the new product description sheet, and some introductory load data.
    We expect to begin shipping this into distribution within the next couple of months. We have the powder, but the DOT authority is expected literally any day now.
    Thanks for checking it out, and look for it when it hits the market.
    Thanks,
    Paul
     

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    Awesome! I really like the decent charge weights for the 9mm. Economical is what I have in mind. Is it bulky enough to fill a case similar to Unique or red dot on the 9mm loads or is it similar in bulk to Bullseye??

    Really like what you guys did with BE-86.
     
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    Did I see published data for coated bullets? Awesome!
     
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    Double awesome!
     
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    Cool. Looking forward to giving it a try.
     
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    I like it.

    You guys are ahead of the curve testing coated bullets. I run Acme bullets exclusively in my pistols now.

    I'll pick up some Sport Pistol when I see it.
     
  7. ColtPythonElite

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    I am anxious to try it.
     
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    I noticed that you are offering a 4lb size, anyway to get you to offer other powders, i.e. BE-86 in 4lb jugs also? Interested to see what this new powder has to offer.
     
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    Wow! That's pushing those 9mm pellets pretty fast. How full does that weight of powder fill the case? I'm just wondering because when I load with Unique using my auto progressive press, it tends to jar a few flakes of powder out when the case plate advances.
     
  10. RussellC

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    Where does this powder fall "speed" wise, compared your other powders? Say, BE 86 (or on the charts, etc.

    Russellc
     
  11. bds

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    Just looking at the load data for Sport Pistol, charge weights are similar to W231/HP-38 and Alliant advertises it as "medium fast" burning for precision and action shooting competition.

    I say Alliant released a competing powder for W231/HP-38 that is less temperature sensitive.

    Sport Pistol 9mm:

    115 gr Speer CPRN OAL 1.135" Max 5.0 gr 1171 fps
    115 gr Speer GDHP OAL 1.125" Max 4.7 gr 1132 fps
    115 gr Speer TMJ RN OAL 1.135" Max 4.8 gr 1164 fps
    115 gr ACME RN-NLG coated OAL 1.120" Max 4.7 gr 1170 fps

    124 gr Speer GDHP OAL 1.120" Max 4.4 gr 1071 fps
    124 gr Speer TMJ RN OAL 1.135" Max 4.3 gr 1057 fps
    124 gr ACME RN-NLG coated OAL 1.050" Max 3.9 gr 1066 fps
    125 gr Cast RN OAL 1.120" Max 4.2 gr 1108 fps

    I see a side-by-side comparison tests coming up for Sport Pistol and W231/HP-38 in the near future.

    "Sport Pistol - Precision and action shooters need consistent, clean-burning propellant that lets them perform to their peak when a competition is on the line. New Alliant Powder® Sport Pistol™ delivers on these demands with extremely reliable cycling, excellent charging and case fill, and ballistics that lend themselves to a range of popular loads.

    Sport Pistol delivers precise performance with all bullet types, but the low muzzle-flash formulation was optimized for polymer-coated bullets. Other double base powders can dissolve the polymer coatings at the bullet base, and this exposes the lead to vaporization due to the intense heat during the ballistic cycle.

    The medium-fast burning Sport Pistol is also very temperature stable, so there is little velocity deviation to worry about at seasonal competitions.

    • Clean-burning formulation
    • Versatile ballistics
    • Great temperature stability
    • Excellent charging and case fill
    • Low muzzle flash
    • Optimized for polymer-coated bullets
    • Made in the U.S.A."
     
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    Paul, since Alliant released BE-86 and now Sport Pistol, if you release Promo version that meters well, Alliant could corner the market for fast/medium fast/medium burning pistol powders. :D
     
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    Key word: when
     
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    "Sport Pistol delivers precise performance with all bullet types, but the low muzzle-flash formulation was optimized for polymer-coated bullets"

    Now there's an important development, if you ask me! A powder manufacturer that's taking into account the ever-increasing adoption of coated bullets! OR, it's just marketing...

    I think bds hit it on the head: a competitor to W231/HP38 from Alliant!

    Thanks, Paul, for the info and data! This powder looks very promising, it's always good to have options. Keep the powder coming, we'll keep shooting!! :D
     
  16. Walkalong

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    My take on that statement was to think it would be low or no nitro content, and/or with additives to keep temperature down. It does have nitro content, so I am interested to know what the percentage is. Bullseye is high nitro content. Somewhere at home I have the %.
     
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    I doubt Alliant would be foolish enough to make claims of anti-powder coat corrosion capabilities and be the first to have published coated bullet load data without having done the testing. To do so could put the company at great risk financially and otherwise.
     
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    Dude...

    It's marketing.

    If the grammar is correct then this new gunpowder is double base.
     
  19. RussellC

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    Yes, 9mm 124 grain loads look light, compared to say, Unique, but the .45 load info is similar to Unique. This prompted my inquiry regarding it place on the burn rat charts...Guess I will have to try some, like the looks of those .45 loads.

    Russellc
     
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    UUUUM Marketing with a huge risk? Do you actually think that Alliant would not run test to insure coating wont be eroded thereby raising health risk for the Coated bullet shooter but claim it did and risk a the possibility of a law suit of any kind? Do you realize that such doings could leave companies without insurance or bond protection (they may have to hold their own reserves to self bond for all I know)? Uncle Sam near runs that place as it is.

    This is not a get rich quick scheme or lose weight fast pill without any FDA testing being sold at your local 7/11. Everyone knows that Marketing ploys often exaggerate the product they are selling but that marketing is done by outsourced marketing companies not in house "we sink with the ship" company employees who run around making claims to boost sales and collect commissions without oversight. These guys are governed by more than one person on top who forbids such dangerous activities. Big difference.

    Besides the if the powder did erode the coating it wouldn't take long before us coated bullet reloader's discovered the truth when we finally break apart some of those "oops" loads that have been siting there for months waiting to have the usable components reclaimed for processing.
     
  21. thomas15

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    Again. It's marketing.
     
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    Why would they go to all the trouble of testing and providing the public with data if it was just for marketing?
     
  23. Rule3

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    Well this all sounds and looks good, but as with BE 86, the first person to actually find some and use it, please let us know,
     
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    In the context of this discussion, you are kidding... I hope.

    You bring up a good point. Not that I personally care but the availability of Alliant canister powders at the retail level has been somewhat dismal of late. I suspect that this powder is really intended to put another supplier in the pipeline for Alliant to hopefully increase the chances that the hapless handloader will have something other than Hodgdon products in their shopping cart. Don't misunderstand me, I hope it's a fantastic powder.
     
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  25. Walkalong

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    As I stated in the part of the quote of my post you left out. :)
     
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