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New Alliant Sport Pistol

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Alliant Reloading, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. Walkalong

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    The only load I have tried BE-86 in yet was medium power .357. I have tried many for this and all of them have been less than perfect. Powder back many were good, but powder forward not so much. BE-86 on the first try was much better than average there as far as not losing so much velocity powder forward, still keeping the accuracy, and the ES & SD not going up too much. I have no doubt a little stouter load would do even better. At this power level it only lost 56 FPS PF, which is very good.

    7.3 Grs BE-86, X-Treme 158 Gr SWC @ 1.560 OAL. 48 degrees 31% RH.

    PB..........PF
    1074 ...1040
    1040..... 975
    1057 ...1001
    ....34 .......65
    ....11 ...... 23
     
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  2. Average Joe

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    Last week I just found BE86 at my LGS, it took me years to get it. Now a new powder, well I guess in a few years I'll be able to try this one......
     
  3. bds
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    Now that Powder Valley is listing "Alliant Sport Pistol" (8 lbs $129 out of stock), it is matter of time before we get to do some testing.

    Definitely looking forward to doing comparison testing with Titegroup/W231/HP-38.
     
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  4. thomas15

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    If you were to take the words of the Herald seriously or possibly literally, the next couple of months is something like 2-4 months from this point in time or thereabouts. Perhaps you might consider Lamaze breathing exercises?
     
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    Patiently waiting.....thanks for the update!
     
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    Was it stored in the "bullet up" position? If so, the coating may or may not have been in contact with the powder. Just a random thought I had while reading your post.
     
  7. Rule3

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    I was looking at the load data given in the beginning of the thread.

    A FAST powder with data from 9mm all the way through 44 Mag.Including coated bullets.

    A do all powder??
     
  8. Walkalong

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    Unique has been doing almost anything at least well for decades, but there is no such thing as a "do all" powder that can work to the potential of all the calibers.

    Another very versatile powder? That would be great.
     
  9. Rule3

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    Yes, that is my "point" There are middle of the road powders that will work in most any caliber. I like HP 38 for that reason Unique does the same only doesn't meter as well.

    I just do not use the same "fast" powder say for 45 ACP or 38 Special as a powder for the 44 Mag.

    Have not tried BE 86 but from what I have read, it is is pretty much an "improved" Unique,

    I am pretty content with a trinity of powders,, fast, medium and slow and have no need to try every new one out there.
     
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    Fast powder that can load most pistol calibers is the reason why W231/HP-38 is popular and Ramshot Zip, Alliant Green Dot and Vectan 206V come close - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-different-labels.797388/page-4#post-10471121

    In my opinion, Alliant released BE-86 at Unique/Power Pistol burn rate without metering issue of Unique and muzzle flash issue of Power Pistol. Now Sport Pistol is being released at faster Titegroup/W231/HP-38 burn rate to address metering and accuracy issue of Green Dot.
     
  11. Greenlantern1

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    Alliant Reloading do you have a link for BE-86 similar to the one you have for Sport Pistol?
     
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    Would I be correct in assuming this powder is an answer to Titegroup's shortcomings? It sounds like they expect it to be used in the same types of applications, and it's advertised as addressing a few common concerns (heat / smoking / leading)?
     
  13. Ghost In The Fog

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    I recently switched to BE-86 and it's a great powder- I am loading Jake's 9MM RMR 124 JHP with 5.6 grains of BE-86 at 1.090 to 1.100 OAL with mixed brass and S&B primers. I am sending them over the chrono out of a Glock 19 4" barrel at 1154 FPS and 1205 FPS from a Glock 34.
    I wish you guys could come up with a powder that gave increased velocities without having to load on the high end of load data. (Alliant lists 5.9 max for BE-86)
    I appreciate and like new products, but isn't this new powder just more of the same of what is already available? I really like BE-86 and it is now my go to powder and I am not knocking Alliant in any way.
    BE-86 and AutoComp are the only two powders I have found that put me over 1100 FPS without being at max load or getting in to the +P range.
     
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  14. Hokie_PhD

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    How is the recoil in the the BE86 at 5.6gran with the 124gr RMR compared to other loads you've worked up/used?
     
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    Recoil to me is weird-
    I am so focused on all the aspects- stance, draw, target, front sight, trigger press, recoil, slide cycle, followup shots and target hits.... that unless I forget about everything else and only focus on recoil I don't notice it. I can shoot one, two or a mag dump and my sight recovery is quick and the recoil is almost unnoticeable to me.
    Unless I load for a low end plinking load, which I haven't done in a really long time- or if I am working a load backwards to find the point where the load no longer cycles the slide I really don't feel the recoil. It is now just a part of my shooting as a whole.
    In all honesty, I would have to say that 5.6 grains of BE-86 is like average factory self defense ammo, Winchester Kinetics or Gold Dots. It gives a good, solid feel but nothing too strong. I took my test load work up to 5.9 and it was a bit stronger if I really think about it. 5.5 gave good accuracy and 1102 FPS 5.6 gave the best accuracy and lowest SD and coefficient of deviation.
    I actually just came in from shooting 125 rounds out of both guns. I am working on my longer distance shots free hand and recoil is really not something I remember.
    I have been shooting a long time- doesn't mean I am any good LOL but the recoil just feels right, if that makes any since.

    Silhouette, AutoComp and BE-86 feel the same to me. 700X is slightly less felt recoil but it is loaded at lower velocities.
    Sorry I can't be of more help answering your question.
     
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    I doubt this very much. Other posters have put the burn rate closer to HP-38

    Some might be offended by this but Titegroup was actually Hodgdon's answer to Alliant Bullseye. Another thing, a couple of years ago when powder was in tight supply, Alliant announced their new powder BE-86. It is claimed that BE-86 was being used for years by commercial loaders and the only thing new about it was it's availability as a canister powder. There was a similar lag between the announcement by Alliant of their new BE-86 and the actual appearance of the substance at the retail level. In other words, all talk, no smoke. But then it was a case that you really couldn't find any powders at that time so it's non-availability was kind of unnoticed.

    The product loyality that you see here by handloaders to their color of press was similar to one among handloaders towards their favorite powder company. That is up until the great powder shortage of 2013-2014 when you brought home whatever you could find and made due. In the process many discovered that their favorite wasn't as special as they thought and that the words coming from the powder suppliers to the hapless handloader were not trustworthy. Basically all of the powder suppliers were hiding under their desks but Hodgdon was the best of a very awful crowd of suppliers. Alliant is actually the last to catch up to demand which is surprising because for about two years it looked like Western (Accurate) was trying to win that award.

    Personally I don't care what powder anyone uses but as one that competes on a regular basis those that I talk to who shoot 9mm or 45 minor generally use Bullseye or Titegroup. I fall in the titegroup camp. I use about 9 or 10 pounds per year and haven't melted my muzzle or suffered any third degree powder burns.
     
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    That's what they said about Power Pistol, factory designation BE-84, too.
     
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    Well darn, I just bought four pounds of Bullseye.

    Serves me right for being impatient.

    Well, I can take comfort that with the 20% coupon Gander Mountain sent me, it was only $19.99 a pound.
     
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    May I ask bds what your plans are for Vectan AS?
     
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    I don't understand the issue here.
     
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    I do not doubt that there are accounts on the internet that claims carbon (i.e. soot) builds up and somehow changes structure to become no longer graphite but diamond (or diamond-like). Diamond is a particular arrangment of carbon atoms. Graphite is a different arrangment of carbon atoms. There are other arrangments of carbon atoms possible, but they are definitive. Carbon arranged in a diamond arrangment is a diamond, it is not a graphite or fullerene. Carbon arranged as graphite is graphit, it is not a diamond. There is no gradual gradient where adding extra layers of graphite make the carbon into a diamond or more like a diamond. Graphite doesn't spontaneously form diamonds or we'd be mining our pencils for wedding rings.

    Explosive detonations CAN form diamonds that are a few nanometers in size. And while nanodiamonds can be used as a polishing compound, they are also used a friction reducer in lubricants where they retard rather than accelerate wear.

    The wear on the bore of a gun barrel comes from the heat and friction involved in swaging a bullet into the rifling and then imparting angular momentum to it in an environment of hot, erosive gas.
     
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  25. dartor

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    If you go to their website http://www.alliantpowder.com/default.aspx and click products at the top, then click on handgun, click on BE-86, and finally click on view all BE-86 recipes you will find the information you're looking for. I just discovered this last night.
     

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