GoldieMI
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I did mine at Ft Wainwright, AK
New AR shooters at the range, malfunctions and pools of lube
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Carl N. Brown
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I have used my son's M4gery a few seasons in the local military matches.
First season when it needed breaking in.
Another season he replaced the fire control group with one less prone to unexpected bump fire.
In prepping the gun I did what I customarily do with blowback .22 rifles or my M1 carbine.
_ Clean, leave a light sheen of oil over all - the amount left when wiped with a slightly oily cloth after cleaning.
_ Bolt and receiver exposed directly to gas, left clean and dry.
_ Painted a quality lubricating oil on all bolt and receiver parts showing metal to metal contact.
Upper East Tennessee, the only dirt in the action would be powder fouling. Not a lot of airborne dust or sand.
Last season I shot his M4gery I thoroughly cleaned and lubed the gun before the first match. I did not clean the action between matches. I thoroughly cleaned it at the end of the season. Not an outstandingly high round count, 7 matches each 20 rounds for score, sighting rounds, and my tests to make sure the new trigger group would not double even if held loosely. No malfunctions. Contradicted what I had been told, to clean an Armalite as immediately as possible or at least pour CLP in the action.
I am prejudiced against running any autoloader wet. Excess oil and wood stocks are not compatible. I have been indoctrinated that excess lube is a dirt and dust magnet and carries fouling sludge into places not reached by ordinary cleaning. In WWII my Dad used the BAR. He liked the semi- or full- selector version, but did not like the variable rate version, slow auto or fast auto selector. The slow auto damper was built into the sealed area of the recoil spring assembly inaccesible to the user, and if gummed up, it had to be serviced by the unit armourer.
Friends with combat experience with the ArmaLite family swear by running ARs wet, at least if you are in a situation where you can't clean the gun properly, you can at least squirt some CLP in there and keep it running. Personally I hope to avoid prolonged firefights, but the advice is useful to keep in mind. Still I am not sold on running wet.
First season when it needed breaking in.
Another season he replaced the fire control group with one less prone to unexpected bump fire.
In prepping the gun I did what I customarily do with blowback .22 rifles or my M1 carbine.
_ Clean, leave a light sheen of oil over all - the amount left when wiped with a slightly oily cloth after cleaning.
_ Bolt and receiver exposed directly to gas, left clean and dry.
_ Painted a quality lubricating oil on all bolt and receiver parts showing metal to metal contact.
Upper East Tennessee, the only dirt in the action would be powder fouling. Not a lot of airborne dust or sand.
Last season I shot his M4gery I thoroughly cleaned and lubed the gun before the first match. I did not clean the action between matches. I thoroughly cleaned it at the end of the season. Not an outstandingly high round count, 7 matches each 20 rounds for score, sighting rounds, and my tests to make sure the new trigger group would not double even if held loosely. No malfunctions. Contradicted what I had been told, to clean an Armalite as immediately as possible or at least pour CLP in the action.
I am prejudiced against running any autoloader wet. Excess oil and wood stocks are not compatible. I have been indoctrinated that excess lube is a dirt and dust magnet and carries fouling sludge into places not reached by ordinary cleaning. In WWII my Dad used the BAR. He liked the semi- or full- selector version, but did not like the variable rate version, slow auto or fast auto selector. The slow auto damper was built into the sealed area of the recoil spring assembly inaccesible to the user, and if gummed up, it had to be serviced by the unit armourer.
Friends with combat experience with the ArmaLite family swear by running ARs wet, at least if you are in a situation where you can't clean the gun properly, you can at least squirt some CLP in there and keep it running. Personally I hope to avoid prolonged firefights, but the advice is useful to keep in mind. Still I am not sold on running wet.
There are varying degrees of wet. Dunking your rifle in a vat of oil is at one end. Placing three or four drops in the exhaust port of the carrier is at the other.
Anyone who thinks a few drops of lube here and there isn't wet is deluding themselves.
Anyone who thinks a few drops of lube here and there isn't wet is deluding themselves.
DustyGmt
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Frog lube, what a waste of time. I kid you not, I sat down with a hair dryer in my lap, better part of 2 hours applying it in the specified instructions to "impregnate" the "formula" into the pores of the metal to form a permanent "bond". What a croc. My bolt was bone dry after like two mags, no lubricity at all, whatever remained inside the receiver just gummed up. It was like $20 for a lil toothpaste tube.
I may as well of fired my gun til warm and wiped country croc all over it.
If I ever run out of lubricant, I would like to buy a bottle ALG Go-Juice.. I got a lil sample with my trigger and it's great stuff. It would be silly for me to buy any at this point though. I have tons of Hoppes #9 cleaner, Superlube, SLIP EWG, Lubriplate SFL0, BreakFree CLP, Ballistol. I'm running g very low on my first bottle of Mpro7, I really like that stuff too. My bottle is so old everything left at the bottom is grease instead of thin lube. It works wonderfully. I consider Superlube, Slip2000 and Breakfree to be top performers.
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Old Dog
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No offense intended to any of our honorable members who've posted in this thread, but it's certainly a great example of "preaching to the choir."
One suspects most semi-experienced AR shooters already knows the platform works best when run wet, yet we've got four pages of testimony to this effect?
One suspects most semi-experienced AR shooters already knows the platform works best when run wet, yet we've got four pages of testimony to this effect?
Wet. I own a BCM Mod 0 and have adhered to Pat Rogers methodology of running them wet. I use Slip 2000 and have put almost 4,000 rounds through mine with zero malfunctions. I also shoot with some guys who work at BCM (here in WI) in some of our AR competitions at a local range and they too run theirs wet, and we run them until their smoking hot. Never a malf. Only guns that malf. in these competitions are typically frankenguns. Did have one guy with a non-torqued and non-loctited RDS literally flop off his carbine mid-way through a stage! 
lysanderxiii
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Excessive lubrication will not stop an AR from working, however, some people think all adding lubrication will solve all problems.
It won't.
It won't.
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