Seen this doc on cleaning Rifles?

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Armalite tech note on their website. It's fairly long so I'm posting the link, It's a PDF. I should add that this is the way I've cleaned my ARs and my failure rate is zero, unless you count bad ammo.

I should note that they're talking about AR-10/15 rifles but a large part applies to any gun.

http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech Notes\Tech Note 29, Rifle Cleaning, 99.04.pdf

Parts that I should note
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Some of the worst cleaning practices are found among those expected to know best how to
maintain rifles: the military. Military procedures are too often focused not on cleaning properly,
but on cleaning totally
The fact is that a properly cleaned and lubricated ArmaLite
rifle, and most similar rifles, will fire two thousand rounds without significant malfunctions.
More rifles are damaged by improper cleaning than by actual use. It’s far better to do just a
minimal job of lubricating a rifle to prevent rust than to damage it by over zealous cleaning.
Contrary to common instructions, it isn’t necessary to push patches through the bore until the
last one comes out clean. Expect some slight fouling to continue to leach from the pores of the
barrel, and learn to accept it. It isn’t harmful.
 
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I have personal experience ith this, and I'd say that it's likely true. Goodness knows how much muzzle wear we induced by scrubbing for hours trying to get the patches to stop coming out black....
 
Semiconductor-grade cleanliness not necessary and not desirable

If this thread has restricted itself to the queston of whether patches should come out white or slightly gray, I say slightly gray. I knew this before reading the Armalite article.

I am professionally engaged in cleaning materials for either/both high vaccum use or to semiconductor-grade cleanliness (this latter is essentially "atomically clean". i.e., no foreign matter down to the atoms of the base material, the bore alloy). Some of the parts we clean arrive dripping with machining oil or have been sand-blasted to 40-60 grit roughness. Knowing what it takes to clean surfaces to such degrees (strong aqueous detergent, copious rinse with de-ionized, i.e., inherently corrosive, water, ultrasonic cleaning and more), I cringe at the thought of subjecting a firearm bore to such cleaning. In effect, the part has to be designed to be cleaning this way and the whole remainder of the assembly has to be designed at the same time to be compatible. None of this applies to gun barrels, throats, receiver parts, etc.

On the contrary, carbon/soot/graphite deposits (e.g., from partially burnt powder, bore oil, wadding, etc.) on the bore are lubricious and protective, in a sacrificial but renewable sense. Lead, transfer-rubbed off the bullet itself, is also a benefit. Copper from the bullet cladding is less good but still better than the bare steel. Chrome lining is good because chrome, as plated, is smoother and more lubricious than almost any bare steel surface, plus the plating, if applied thick enough, fills in the microscopic grooves from machining and polishing the bore. But not to worry. If you don't have plated chrome, the carbon, lead and copper will also fill these grooves preferentially.

Just drag a patch through the bore 'till it comes out light-gray and then apply you favorite rust-preventive finish oil or similar product. Your real enemy is hard particles, like sand or steel filings. These might scratch the bore when being dragged along by a bullet.
 
I certainly have to agree with Bill_Rights on this one. When I first got my Mosin 91/30, it grouped around an inch at 50 yards on the first outing. The bore was somewhat dark so I ran a home-made electronic/electrolytic bore cleaner on it until the bore was squeaky-shiny clean. Next session at the range, the groups were horrible and it took almost a box of ammo (20 rounds) to get them to tighten up again.

Since then, I only saturate one patch with Hoppe's Elite and make 2 passes through the bore with it. Leave for 5 minutes and run a couple of dry patches through until one comes out medium to light gray. A patch with a couple of drops of turbine oil on it gets run through and the rifle it put up. I run a dry patch through just before going to the range the next time.

Now, it groups about an inch at 100 yards. I was really touting the electronic bore cleaners, but now, I think that may only be necessary to bring one back from the brink.

Thanks for all the info.
 
Trainer,

Thanks for the reminder to run a dry patch through the bore after it has been oiled for storage. This is good to do. It may not be enough. Some believe that you should shoot a few (2 to 4) "fouling shots" through the barrel so it settles in to a steady-state internal surface condition, as in this post.

I agree that ideally you'd put 2-4 fouling shots through the barrel in order to get max shot-to-shot consistency. Wet oil, even a thin film left after swabbing, is an unnatural surface condition. Better to run a nice hot bullet over it really fast, followed by pyrolizing it with exploding propellant gases. Do this a few times to be sure the oil is gone and is replaced with burnt propellant residue.

Trouble is, can you imagine going hunting with your buddies and, arriving at your jump off point and gathering your gear, you fire off a few rounds to condition your barrel? Ha! No way. But, you know, most hunting shots are not that critical, and if you were attempting too critical of a shot, you'd be risking a not-clean kill - no good. Besides, it is more sporting to use equipment that is not "perfect".
 
Thanks for the link. Interesting stuff. When I first became a gun owner,
I had this mistaken notion that the lands and grooves of the barrel
had to be pristine after each cleaning. I probably could have saved
myself some needless time and elbow grease. One thing it looks like
I did learn correctly early on was from a friend in the military. He told
me that if nothing else, to make sure that the bolt carrier and cam pin
got at least a quick swabbing with a cleaning agent/lubricant. I've done
this numerous times prior to shooting, when I just didn't have the time
to be more thorough.
 
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