New Armasight 'Predator' Entry Level Thermal Sight

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I recently was asked to be pro staff for a Texas-based thermal and night vision vendor, Third Coast Thermal, with the job of testing and reviewing some of the products that they carry. The first scope I was sent for evaluation was the Armasight Predator weapon sight. For the past couple of years, I have been hunting hogs and predators using a FLIR PS32 (1x, 320x240 sensor pixel resolution) handheld thermal spotting scope and since last year have been hunting with an Armasight Zeus 3 weapon sight ( 3x, 640x512). At that time, 640 resolution was (and currently still is) the best level of resolution in the consumer market and was/is awfully pricey. I purchased right after there was a major price drop because FLIR, a major vendor of the thermal 'cores' that go in several brands of thermal scopes, introduced a less expensive line of thermal scopes (RS series) and dropped the price of their cores. Now, between that, increases demand and sales, new product lines, and competition in the market, there have been several price drops across the market. Thermal hunting technology is coming down in price for the consumer.

Earlier this year, Pulsar became the first company to break the less than $3k barrier for a weapon sight with its Apex series (2x, 384x288 resolution) of weapon sights. I got to use one for a few weekends and found it a quite adequate for typical hunting needs. What a great idea! Budget-priced functional sight! Now Armasight has come out with theirs. Vendors have been listing them at just under $3K.

Don't let "entry-level" fool you. The capabilities of this scope are what used to be considered higher-end thermal for the consumer market just 3-4 years ago and would have cost folks 2-3 times as much money. Folks have killed a lot of hogs, predators, and other varmints with this level of technology and for the typical hunting distances of night hunters (usually <100 yards and virtually never >200 yards), this works!

I had hoped to have a video showing the removal of some bothersome hogs or predators, but that did not happen. What I have put together is a video of b-roll footage that demonstrates some of the scope's viewing capabilities on a few animals at different distances. Had this scope, or the Apex, been around at this price when I purchased my Zeus, I would not have purchased a Zeus. The higher end scopes produced much better and prettier images which are quite nice (and I really do like my Zeus 3 very much!), but I could have gotten by with less scope for a LOT less money for the task of simply eradicating hogs.

https://youtu.be/zKO4DBAPQcw

Thermal scopes are often listed as being variable power such as 2x-8x scopes. This variable power differs from typical daylight scopes in that the variable aspect is digital instead of optical. As such, when you zoom a digital image digitally, you get a bigger image, but not actually better resolution. Many brands like Armasight do this in doubled steps. While the Predator is listed as a 2x scope, it is actually a 1.6x scope, so the steps would be 1.6x, then doubled to 3.2x, and then doubled to 6.4x. With each doubling of magnification, there is a quartering of the resolution. So 1.6x, 336x256 becomes 3.2x, 168x128 and then becomes 6.4x, 84x64 resolution. The result is pixelation (blocky image) when zoomed fully.

Is this useful? Sure. While I find that target identification usually is best accomplished under the least zoom in most cases, more precise shot placement at more distant animals is best accomplished with zoom. A distant critter with no zoom my have the entire shoulder covered by the aiming reticle in the scope, but zoomed in and you can more precisely place the shot within the shoulder, aiming at a specific spot instead of the entire area.

Hopefully, I will get something this weekend and be able to show the scope in application, but right now, the above video does a decent job of showing what the scope can do. Please bear in mind that there is some image quality lost between what you can see in the scope to what gets recorded, to then what get converted by Youtube. It isn't a huge amount, but it happens. In short, what I see through the scope is somewhat better than the Youtube video, but the video provides a pretty good relative idea of what can be seen.

If I can answer any questions about thermal, please let me know. I am NOT a technical guru for this technology however. I know some of the technical aspects and understand them, but my focus is, and really always has been one of "Will it hunt?" The Armasight Predator WILL hunt.
 
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Cool video.
I know nothing about these scopes...but I WANT one. Do all the bullets fired look like tracers?
How come you didn't pop those coons? Raccoons do more damage to my farm than any other animal.
 
From the videos I have seen, the only bullets that look like tracers through the scope are actual tracers and even then they are pretty difficult to see.

I actually don't mind the coons too much. They actually do a good job of unclogging feeders and keeping them running. Sure, they eat more than they are worth, but aside from eating some corn, they don't do any other damage that I know of at my place. Hogs are another matter all together and hogs are my primary concern. I would hate to blow a hog hunt by shooting raccoons.

Speaking of hog hunts, I finally got a couple. This next video shows the use of the thermal scope under two different conditions. The first is trying to see and shoot through blue stem grass and other vegetation and the second in an unobstructed shot. The first shot was a daylight shot with the sun still warming the vegetation and trying to put out the hog was a challenge as the view was a bit distorted. Later, I made a longer shot on a smaller hog with an unobstructed view that was quite reasonable. You can see the differences here...
https://youtu.be/i2ucCWwFM5s
 
Thanks for the review!

You think this new one is better than the Pulsar? I'm pretty close to taking the plunge on a thermal, but obviously want the best bang for my buck on a working man's budget.
 
Better than the Pulsar? Sadly, you can't actually make apples to apples comparisons between brands. Each brand and their models have good features and each brand and models have some really boneheaded features. It is up to the buyer to decide what s/he needs, wants, can live with that s/he may not want, and can live without that s/he may want.

The Pulsar Apex XD38 (closest comparison to the Predator) is a 1.5x native magnification that is 384x288 resolution at 50hz with a 38mm lens. It will zoom to 6x (digital). It has more variable zoom (smaller increments and has an objective focus (which means you can refine your focus better than with a fixed focus). These are the advantages. Neutrally, it runs on 2 AA batteries, but really needs to run on AA lithium batteries that are about as pricey as CR123s that the Predator uses. The negatives are that it is really long (13.2"), is constructed of polymer, and the battery compartment door is fickle. Either you get it closed just right, or it pops open on recoil.

The Predator is a 1.6x native magnification that is 336x256 resolution at 30 hz with a 20mm lens. It has two zoom levels beyond native resolution to a total of 6.4x digital zoom. The fixed focus means you never have to mess with the objective lens, but that the focus may not be quite as good as it could be if it were fully adjustable. I consider this a negative. The size (only 7.6" long) and construction of the Predator is smaller and uses aluminum parts. The body is solid and the main unit construction is the same used for the Zeus line of scopes. The Predator is a more solidly built scope.

Both are good on recoil up to a .308, basically.

The physics are that the Apex provides a better image because of the higher resolution and larger lens size. The physics also say that the Predator's construction is more durable and compact than the Apex.

So I would say that if you are a fastidious person who takes great care in the field, who doesn't crawl through brush with your rifle, maybe just stand hunts, the Apex would be the better option because of the better image. If you are a hunter like me who trudges around in the mud and briar, crawling through brush to find a downed hog, maybe as managed to drop your rifle a time or two in the past, then the Predator is the scope for you.
 
Thanks for the input. Guess the best thing to do is find a way to sample both if possible. I'd lean more toward the Pulsar based on your findings, but owning the large & heavy ATN Mk 390, I am all too familiar with the drawbacks of such hulking optics.
 
Here is another short vid, this time of a bobcat. I do hog and predator control on this property and the goal is to keep these animals down as much as possible, in hopes of bolstering the turkey and quail population. I am happy to report that the quail have returned for the first time in years this year.

Anyway, for a small bobcat, I think 120 yards is probably the reliably functional limit of the scope. When you can only identify an animal from on direction, that indicates you may be near a functional limit for that size of critter.

https://youtu.be/IEZzGwwrU0Y

As ever, the view through the lens is better than what you see on Youtube. Between downloading the image to a recorder and eventually uploading to Youtube that reconfigures the video, you lose a bit of the clarity.
 
Here is the primary competitor for the Armasight Predator, the Pulsar Apex XD38a. This was the first sub $3K thermal being sold in the US. It is a 1.5x (native magnification) to 6.0x (digital), 384x288 resolution, 25 micron (distance between pixels), 38 mm lens, 50 hz thermal scope. So the optics are somewhat better than the Armasight Predator, except the micron gap is larger. The Apex is a polymer scope whereas the Predator has fairly solid aluminum body. You can focus the objective on the Apex, but not the Predator.

What I really like on the Apex is the Picture in Picture (PiP) mode. You can view full screen as magnification from 1.5-6.0x or you can toggle with the press of a button to PiP mode where you get a big screen at 1.5x and a small screen that is zoomed (not sure how far). The PiP mode allows for more precise aiming with the small zoomed image, but then a maintaining of a wide FOV on the big portion of the screen for things like watching the around around the target or picking up runners for additional shots (as with sounders).

Here is my first vid from this scope. It was a single hog and so I ended up not using the PiP mode for the shot.

https://youtu.be/Bcxdhd0pn64

Conditions were not ideal. The hog was partially hidden in high grass, but the scope was definitely holding zero and the shot was exactly where aimed.
 
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