New Experimental Army Rifle Uses "Telescoped" Ammunition

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Like "Metalstorm", this is always "the next big thing" every few years and never amounts to anything.

I predict that somebody will post a similar article in two or three years and the same discussion will be repeated, ad infinitum...
 
If it fires the same bullet as a normal round, and has the same amount of normal powder, rearranging these components will not lead to a reduction in weight.

If they have developed better powder that can store the same amount of energy in a smaller volume, or a case that is lighter than brass, that is good news.

But those are the real story, not the telescoped arrangement. Better powder and a lighter case would improve a traditional round as well.
 
Flechette, cartridge length is directly related to the size & therefore mass of the firearm; long action vs. short action. Similar case for the magazines unless these are far, far wider than the brass-case equivalent. The whole point of the endeavor is that they've managed to shrink the fixed ammunition cartridge yet again (by going to more efficient geometry & modern double-base powders to form the 308, then by re-examining realistic infantry needs and optimizing around the much smaller/less powerful 5.56 with the technological advances in pressure curve, powder, geometry, and gas system design), and have also managed to replace yet another metallic component with much lighter plastics.

Lighter, smaller case; lighter, smaller gun. Which I'd also expect to have some measure of enhanced operating rate of fire, since plastic case ammo will not transfer nearly as much heat into the chamber as brass cases (basically the opposite of the problem the caseless G11 ran into that caused cook-offs)

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Funny yet accurate way of putting it :). I also think the notion that we can't possibly field another caliber than we do is a bit silly. While it may be annoying to think about the ramifications of more ammo, it isn't like there aren't more types of uniforms or MREs at this point, and I've heard shipping computers are at least twice as fast as they were in 1978. The training aspect seems the largest hurdle to me, if you insist of making every man spend precious time learning on every fielded platform (which if they are otherwise similar, like AR15/AR10 would seem to be unnecessary)

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When you are delivery ammo with the vehicle below, a 40% weight savings per round is huge.

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Flechette, cartridge length is directly related to the size & therefore mass of the firearm; long action vs. short action. Similar case for the magazines unless these are far, far wider than the brass-case equivalent. The whole point of the endeavor is that they've managed to shrink the fixed ammunition cartridge yet again (by going to more efficient geometry & modern double-base powders to form the 308, then by re-examining realistic infantry needs and optimizing around the much smaller/less powerful 5.56 with the technological advances in pressure curve, powder, geometry, and gas system design), and have also managed to replace yet another metallic component with much lighter plastics.

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Yet if the length of the case is shorter (allowing a shorter gun action) it must in turn must be a wider cartridge (making the gun wider) if the same cartridge components are used. The total volume must be the same.

As far as weight goes, If you have a dozen apples in a bag they still weigh the same when you rearrange them in the bag. This ammunition may be shorter, but it is wider and will still weight the same per round as a round of conventional ammunition.

If this ammo is lighter because they are using new, more efficient powder that needs less volume and/or a case material that is lighter than brass then THAT is the real story, not how they arrange the components.

A conventional round with improved powder and composite case will weigh less too.
 
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Textron, same outfit now doing the LSAT, tried lighter cartridges for conventional actions and standard chambers. It was the "neckless" cartridge, made out of plastic molded directly onto the bullet. Powder was loaded from the rear and the case closed with a metal head to hold the primer and give a strong enough rim for the extractor to pull. Read more about this 1970s project on page 100 at
http://quarryhs.co.uk/600mv2016.pdf
 
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