New gun control needed: All adults required to carry in public

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The situation in Colorado is sad, unfortunate and unnecessary.

The coverage by the media, in particular on CNN, who have interviewed several persons in the movie house that night, is horrible. They did not ask the obvious question;

...."weren't you wishing that one or more persons, or you yourself were carrying a concealed handgun so that this terror attack could be stopped before so many people were killed and injured by this crazed gunman"

...anyway, the obvious solution is for more people (e.g., the good guys) to be encouraged or required to carry guns in public...

We shouild also seek a uniform federal law on "stand-your-ground"
 
i would agree, but my understanding is most of the people in the theater were under 21, so first they need to lower the age to 18. Aside from the i can vote smoke, and fight, they (18-21 year olds) CAN carry a shotgun, and I would say its safe to bet most of the victims were not shot with a handgun in this case. It was almost like shooting up another gun free zone, like most spree killers go.
 
We shouild also seek a uniform federal law on "stand-your-ground"

I'd like to see all 50 states enact SYG laws (and I'm glad I live in one), but, in my opinion, such a law at the federal level violates the Constitution.
 
I don't think requiring people to have guns is a good idea. It is a free choice.
Exactly.

Far more useful would be to take back the culture, and undo the last several decades of social programming by the media and entertainment industry, which has induced a feeling among the general population that gun owners, and especially those who carry, are some sort of fringe. Unfortunately, since the media and entertainment industry are dominated, if not controlled by liberals, I can't think how this might be accomplished.

Tragedies like the Aurora shooting, unsurprisingly, start the gun banners howling afresh every time they occur. But it really is almost exactly like the old legal maxim "hard cases make bad law," meaning is that a particularly unpleasant or tragic case is actually quite a poor basis for a general law which would cover a wider range of less extreme cases; a general law drafted for the more usual and common circumstance will be better, as it is far more applicable to most situations.

And a sweeping gun ban in response to tragedies like this, would have the effect of limiting the freedom of millions of gun owners, who not only never hurt anybody, they also use their firearms to thwart more commonplace criminal attacks hundreds of thousands of times every year -- usually without having to fire a shot. These mass shooting get attention because, just like plane crashes, there's a high body count, and they're spectacular, which makes it easy to forget that they are the exception, not the rule, just like plane crashes make it easy to forget that planes are actually the safest means of travel.
 
Far more useful would be to take back the culture, and undo the last several decades of social programming by the media and entertainment industry

I agree a 100%.

I was raised on a farm where 100% of what I did for work in my youth and recreation was real, not some fantasy that warped my mind into thinking that a particular action is socially acceptable because they keep producing these high tech virtual worlds where nothing is real and sell them because they appeal to a young, impressionable mind.

I yearn for the days of my youth where my source of entertainment was spent with my piers learning right from wrong from them instead of getting their mind bent in some vidio game because these kids parents don't want to take responsibility for raising the children they brought into this world.

So they buy them a vidio game of mass destruction, so they don't have to deal with their responsibility as a parent , then want to blame someone else when their kid does what this guy in CO just did.
 
And in addition, make carrying around a gas mask a requirement too? A crowded theatre, full of tear gas, chaos, and a crazed gunman; and everyone is armed and fearing for their life.
The phrase "recipe for disaster" comes to mind.
 
I want NO laws telling me to or not to carry.
This is my right to exercise as I see fit and not as the government tells me.
 
i would agree, but my understanding is most of the people in the theater were under 21, so first they need to lower the age to 18

I'm not familiar with Co. gun laws, but I've had my pistol permit since I was 19. You can't buy a pistol from an FFL until you are 21, but you can buy it from a private seller or have one gifted to you and carry it.
 
I don't think the answer lies in either more guns or less guns. That's another discussion which is mostly off topic for this forum.

We as a nation need to realize that the Second Amendment by itself is not the right. The Second Amendment affirms the right. It being a right means that you as an individual have a choice whether or not to exercise the right.
 
Laws REQUIRING citizens to own firearms have been adressed - and struck down - by the US Supreme court, decades ago. You can't MAKE people have guns. On a practical note, a person who doesn't WANT a gun would be useless with it in any case.
 
Kennesaw, Georgia has a law requiring ownership of a firearm, but the broad number of permitted exceptions essentially make it unenforceable.

I would like to see Constitutional Carry in all 50 states, and have it such that wherever you have a right to be, you have a right to carry. Probably won't happen in my lifetime but it is a worthy goal in my opinion.
 
Just saw on the news. Both Obama and Romney are calling for gun control. On CNN. Hopefully nothing comes of this.

Want to provide a link to that?

What I have seen is that both Obama and Romney have been criticized by CNN anchor Brooke Baldwin and NYC Mayor Bloomberg for not calling for gun control in the wake of Aurora.

Tinpig
 
Just saw on the news. Both Obama and Romney are calling for gun control. On CNN. Hopefully nothing comes of this.

I just looked up "gun control" under 'news' on Bing... not one headline says anything about Obama or Romney calling for gun control. Every single headline says the opposite; neither is asking for it and it is unlikely. The anti-gunners are the only ones talking about renewed efforts.
 
Maybe your right tinpig. Saw it @ burgerking on their tv. They had an anchor talking about the massacre. Meanwhile they had little news snippits scrolling across the bottom. Saw that out of the corner of my eye. I was like what??. Then it was gone before I got a good look at it. Just remember seeing both parties names and the words gun control. But maybe its like you said. About them not calling for it? Hopefully.
 
Yeah, the Kennesaw law is a novelty that a great many residents just laugh at, if they even know it exists at all.

Agree with the people who are saying carry should be an option open to all, but not forced upon all.
 
I agree! Why do we encourage everyone to vote, but not own firearms?

i agree also. if 90% of people had firearm with them 90% of the time, 90% of the crime would go away, at least imo. as for the voting thing, i think the big question is why do we encourage people to vote at all. 90% of all politicians are crooks, looking to be elected to fatten their off shore bank accounts, and leaving the country worse than what it was to begin with.
 
The situation in Colorado is sad, unfortunate and unnecessary.

The coverage by the media, in particular on CNN, who have interviewed several persons in the movie house that night, is horrible. They did not ask the obvious question;

...."weren't you wishing that one or more persons, or you yourself were carrying a concealed handgun so that this terror attack could be stopped before so many people were killed and injured by this crazed gunman"

...anyway, the obvious solution is for more people (e.g., the good guys) to be encouraged or required to carry guns in public...

We shouild also seek a uniform federal law on "stand-your-ground"
This not the answer, I would be nice if more people did carry and that "could" reduce crimes like robbery and rape. But in cases like this, it is extremly difficult to stop a person bent on total distruction. If everyone in that theater was carrying and he new that, he probably would have used a differnt method to his madness. This was a premaditated mass murder. A gunfight in a crowded theater would be just as bad IMO especialy if a bystander is killed by a CC holder.
 
Not all people should carry as not all people are responsible or trained or care. Instead I would prefer the eliminations of the "no weapons" areas.
 
Not all people should carry as not all people are responsible or trained or care. Instead I would prefer the eliminations of the "no weapons" areas.
Don't look for that to happen any time soon. If anything, it will get worse, and this incident will make more of them. Too damn many people think emotionally rather than rationally. Or they just plain don't think. It should be as obvious as the fact that the sun rises in the east the "gun free zones" don't work as intended. A five year old ought to be able to figure out that if a man is willing to walk into a room and commit murder many times over, he's hardly going to be stopped by the sight of that "no guns allowed" sign, and that, if anything, this will only make him smile as he realizes all the poor rubes inside who do obey the rules are unarmed and helpless. This should be easy to figure out, but there are some people who just can't seem to make the connection.

Reading some of the articles written in the aftermath of this atrocity makes me shake my head in despair at how incapable of rational thought some people are. Roger Ebert, the film critic, wrote in an op ed in the NY Times:

The United States is one of few developed nations that accepts the notion of firearms in public hands. In theory, the citizenry needs to defend itself. Not a single person at the Aurora, Colo., theater shot back, but the theory will still be defended.
He doesn't even attempt to find out if anyone had the means to shoot back. And since the theater was a supposed "gun free zone," odds are they didn't. But apparently, to Ebert, the fact that citizens didn't return fire with guns they didn't have is supposed to disprove the idea that an armed citizen at least might have been able to stop the madman before he killed so many people.

Another op ed from the same paper had this little gem of wisdom to offer (referring to a quote by Texas Republican Louie Gohmert):

Mr. Gohmert added: “It does make me wonder, you know, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying? That could have stopped this guy more quickly?”

That sort of call to vigilante justice is sadly too familiar, and it may be the single most dangerous idea in the debate over gun ownership.
Look carefully here. This is a newspaper man speaking. A so-called journalist. Words are supposed to be his very stock in trade. One would think, then, that he would at least know what they actually mean. But he doesn't. He can't seem to tell the difference between vigilantism (the undertaking of law enforcement without legal authority), and plain old self-defense (reacting to a threat occurring at that moment). Anyone shooting back at Holmes would have been acting in simple self-defense, not taking the law into his own hands. Words exist to designate ideas and allow us to communicate them to others. I wonder how the author of that piece can even think clearly, and organize his thoughts rationally, when he seems to be muddling his definitions.
 
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