New Gun Storage Requirements for a Family Member

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Due to a new addition to the family and an imminent move to a new home, the gun storage needs for my brother's household are going to be changing in the future.

He owns 3 or 4 handguns:

.38 Spl Snub-nose revolver
.45 ACP Colt Defender
Small .22LR semi-auto of some kind
9X18 Makarov

...and a couple long guns:

.410 single shot shotgun
.22LR bolt action single shot
12GA Browning pump action shotgun

He also has a few antique long guns as well.

In his old home, he just had the long guns unloaded in a cabinet - and all of the pistols were strategically placed throughout the home, loaded and ready to go. "Strategically placed" means nightstand drawer in the main bedroom, hidden in the DVD storage area of the living room - and in a cabinet in the kitchen.

Now - he is getting ready to move into a new home AND he and his wife just had their first baby. We live in a rural area (Southwest Virginia) - and this home is a brand new home in a fairly rural setting.

Due to the new kid, I am already thinking about the new gun storage requirements that will required eventually. The concern for new requirements is, of course, due to the fact that kids get into things and other visitors may now be in the household.

While I'm sure the kid will be familiarized with firearms as soon as he begins to show an interest (several years from now, of course), I want to be able to make a recommendation to him now regarding the new storage needs - so he can more appropriately plan for the future. This will give ample time to plan to buy a safe, etc. or might influence furniture placement, etc.

My initial "plan" for this household is as follows:

All long guns which are not for home defense would be kept in gun cabinet (as they currently are), however a gun lock would be installed on all of them. The primary purpose(s) of these guns are for hunting or to take care of pests (non-human). ;)

The personal defense handgun(s) would be secured in a small safe (or safes) in the bedroom - and/or other rooms in the house (drawers of nightstand, cabinets, etc. throughout the home). These small safes would be something like the GunVault - or one other safes with electronic combination locks with key backup. Inside these gun safe(s), the keys to the long gun locks would be stored.

In the event that he chooses to use the Browning 12GA shotgun for home defense, I suppose he could keep rounds in the magazine - but chamber open and a gun cable lock through it - with the key in one of the little handgun safes. I don't think he uses the shotgun for defense, however.

All of the guns would need to be secured, but at least one, two or three selected guns would need to be readily available in the case of an emergency. The aforementioned plan would offer this.

Now - the purpose of this thread is to solicit helpful comments and suggestions from people who may have travelled down this road before - and have determined what has worked for them in similar situations. I'm interested to hear in (what we call in the IT business): "Best Practices" regarding home gun storage in a home with small children and possibly nosy visitors.

Fire away - and thank-you for your helpful suggestions.
 
i have kids, from 10yrs to >1yrs, and guns. so far i haven't bought a gun safe, still thinking the money is better spent on guns and ammo. I have one gunvault, on my side of the bed, other handguns are locked in heavy duty file cabinet. long guns are kind of scattered in closets, and kept in my office. plan to buy a safe after i get a few more, also want another gunvault. they are good, and affordable. also saw these in sportsmanswarehouse catalog, anyone have one?
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=437372

and

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=407947
 
Sharpie, as a NON expert and parent... I vote for education... BUT considering you are an instructor I tend to believe you have a better plan and I wonder if I should be second guessing my strategy.

Leroy
 
mcdonl:

In my opinion, it takes education (training) and experience (practice / practical application) to be safe around guns. That's why it's important to "teach the children" about the rules of gun safety and the responsibility which accompanies firearms ownership and use - as soon as they even hint at showing an interest or are displaying curiosity.

That said, if "little Johnny" has a friend over - or if your cleaning lady is over - or if some long lost relative shows up at your home, this is when being clever with your storage strategy pays off.

Security and Effectiveness in the firearms storage plan is what I'm after.

By security, I mean keeping the firearms inaccessible to unauthorized persons. By effectiveness, I mean keeping the firearms readily accessible to authorized persons.

Making this work effectively isn't as easy as falling off a log - that's why I value the opinions of others.

Thanks again, THR "collective"... ;)
 
I'd recommend investing in several of those biometric wall vaults. The advantage to those is speed, and the fact that you can have more than one person (or finger) keyed to access it. They can be tied in to main power, and have a battery backup in case the power fails. If I had kids, that's probably what I would do these days. It lets you maintain your strategic locations while keeping them away from kids.

Once the kid is a bit older, he can teach them how to use them and to never touch them without his permission. Wall vaults are definitely the way to go, though. Incidentally, modern biometric locks can normally be keyed to 30 or more fingerprints. He would be wise to key it to at least 2 fingers on each hand in case of injury.
 
I appreciate all of the helpful responses. The "Cornered Cat" thing was especially descriptive.

Thanks again...
 
Everybody has to do their own but when they got old enough to be mobile I took everything off the floor. I used open racks for long guns at about 6'+ and simply carried the pistols when I felt the need.

Since they have been shooting for the last five years they show absolutely no interest in open storage guns except to take them to the range or hunting. This may change when they hit their teen years but it is doubtful. If I sense the need I could lock everything up in a safe, but I never have felt that.

We also have no unescorted guests at our house under the age 18.
 
Be VERY careful! When it comes to kids...THEY ARE SMART! And quicker than we think. :D

I say this because my son, father of my 5 yr old grandson, told me that on 12/27/08 Andrew opened his gun safe...to show a little visitor his new BB gun! Andrew had never been told the safe combo...he just saw dad do the numbers and...

My son never thought Andrew was watching close enough to catch the combination. So...don't think they can't reach it...or find it...or figure out how to work it! We need 'em on the shooting line in a few years, when they get a little older.

Mark.
 
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