New Nickel CZ75B, Range Report, slight disappointment. . .

[Shake]

My younger brother (on my advice) ordered a new CZ75b in Nickel finish and he picked it up today (Impact Guns in Utah www.impactguns.com). It is his first gun and he picked a nice one.

The gun was sealed and factory fresh when he got it. The guy behind the counter was kind enough to field strip it and wipe it down as my brother wanted to shoot it then. The gun is beautiful. Though not a big deal to me, the internals had been finished much nicer than my military CZ75B. the entire gun was nicely put together. It came in a box, with two ten round magazines, the CZ mag loader, a bore brush and cleaning rod, a snap cap with replacement 'primers', the manual, and a test target.

Though we didn't have a lot of time, my brother wanted to shoot it today, so we ran about 80 rounds through it at Impact's indoor range. It grouped well, even with my average shooting. My bother is fairly new to handguns, but he said he shot it better than he's ever shot any other handgun. The real treat was watching the salesman shoot. He ran a mag through and ended up with a one hole group with one flyer about 1/2 inch out. No question, the gun can really shoot. The more I shoot CZ's, the more I am impressed by their accuracy.

The only downside was that there were three failures to eject during the shooting (80 rounds). All three were empty cases that were caught in the ejection port, still parallel with the barrel. Ammo was Winchester white box (Wally world special). We didn't have any other ammo with us at the time. I suspect it may be the ammo as I've heard others here mention they've had problems with it. Has anyone had similar problems with this ammo in a CZ? My own CZ loves it, shoots it accurately and has never malfunctioned with it. I'm thinking it may be a comibination of the new recoil spring, and the wally world ammo. . . ideas? He'll need to shoot a bunch more to break it in, so he'll try some other ammo to see if the problems continue.

I was a little disappointed to see the failures as it was the first time I'd seen a CZ have a problem like that. Also, I'd recommended the gun to my brother as being very reliable. Hopefully, the problems will iron themselves out.


Shake

 

[Walt Sherrill]

This is a VERY COMMON problem with CZs when shooting WWB Value Pack (the 100 round boxes). Not all CZ experience the problem, as you know, but it happens a lot -- if the responses on the CZ Forum are any indication.

It doesn't seem to be as common for the 50 round boxes of WWB. (Look at the ejection groove on the WWB VP cartridges and you'll see they are angled differently than other cartridges, and different than the 50 round box cases, too.)

Extraction is a minor aggravation with CZs, and Wolff now offers a stronger extractor spring. While it should come from the factory with better springs, a lot of European guns (especially those from the former Communist Bloc, see to be undersprung.)

Try other ammo and I expect the problem will go away. If you try Wolf, realize that about half of the folks who shoot it have problmes. (The other half love it.)

 

[Hal]

New gun - straight out of the box- cursory wipedown - first 100 rounds -

Sounds like new-itis to me.


Run another few hundred rounds through it after a good cleaning and check back.

Hope it works out for your brother and he ends up really loving the gun..... maybe enough to put a set of Hakem's (sp?) custom grips on it. Set of those two tone w/the black against that nickle finish would look sweet.

 

[Morgan]

I don't shoot my CZ's very often (shame on me), but a friend of mine has a 75BD. It has never had a problem with S&B, Blazer, or Speer GD. She picked up a couple of boxes of white box value pack, and suddenly started having an occasional failure to eject.

Ran out of WW ammo, put some S&B through it, and no problems.

That satin nickel sure is pretty, isn't it?

 

[jdrobins]

Not to defend WWB but I have shot literally 1000's of rounds of this stuff without a hitch in just about every major gun and caliber, it has always worked for me, It has also worked well in my 2 CZ's P-01 and PCR although I honestly do not have a lot of rounds down range with these as tey are also new, But it does sounds like your brothers gun is suffering New gun itis and just needs broken in a little bit. Usually I don't get upset until after 100rds of ammo goes thru the gun before I start looking for problems or solutions.

Jim

 

[PCRCCW]

Hey, Im in UT....we can hook up and shoot a bit if youre into it.
The gun needs more ammo run through it before it gets a big frown..at least 300-400 rnds.
Then you will have reasons to look into any failures.....
Just shoot it..................Shoot well.......

 

[makarov1]

I have a CZ Turkish Mil that is stone cold reliable. I wouldn't worry much until after 3 to 400 rounds.

 

[Ky Larry]

I have a CZ-75BD 9mm, a CZ-75B .40 S&W, a CZ PCR 9mm, and a CZ-83
in .380ACP. None of them has ever had a malfunction of any type. The more I shoot them, the more I like them. Next I'll be adding a CZ RAMI in .40 S&W. IMHO, CZ's are the best value in guns today. You can pay more money for a gun, but you won't get more gun for your money.

 

[only1asterisk]

My 9mm's have never had trouble digesting the winchester white box, but none of them ever shot it very well. I no longer use this ammo because I don't think the quality control is tight enough.


David

 

[Prodigalshooter]

I use the WWB a lot and have had no problems in either my CZ or my Sig. The CZ eats anything I've put in it for the last two years, WWB, S & B, Olympic, Federal etc. I'm gonna agree with the other guys, the pistol will probably settle right in after a few more rounds go thru it.
I bet it's pretty in that shiney finish!

 

[BamBam-31]

I will echo previous posters. Gun is still too new to be down on a few failures. Shoot about 200-300 rounds through it. Try a few different brands of ammo (American Eagle, S&B, and Fiocchi are pretty good econo-plink brands too). If it still has failures after that, then maybe look a little deeper into it.

Also, if this gun is to be considered a self-defense gun at all, it's usually advisable to shoot about 200 rounds of the premium ammo of choice through the gun just to make sure your gun cycles it reliably.

Hope your brother enjoys his new CZ. My buddy's 75 Compact is pretty darn sweet. After about 500 rounds, the trigger smooths up nicely, too. Good luck, and good shooting.

 

[wildehond]

CZ FTE

Hi

You say the gun was new. The oil from the factory become very "think" sometimes.
Check the extractor hook at the breach face for any gunk buildup and make sure that the extractor is not slowed down or hindered by the "think oil" around it. I would suggest that you clean of all the old oil and reoil the gun as is recommended in the manual. Yes I know, I do not like to read the maual either. But I have found some real good advice in the manuals.

The CZ is a great firearm. Your bother wil not regret the advice he got from you.

wildehond

 

[WonderNine]

Underpowered 115gr. Winchester Whitebox 9mm's causing failures to extract out of a NEW gun. What a surprise.

Btw, was the gun lubricated?

 

[Shake]

Thanks Walt and others for the information on the ammo. I suspected it was the ammo, just was surprised as my own CZ has never had a failure of any type with the same ammo.

I'm thinking I may invest in a Wolff extractor spring after reading up on the issue on the CZ board. I wouldn't mind having a couple on hand should mine ever develop extraction problems.

I understand my expectations were a little high, but you do like to see a gun perform flawlessly when you've talked it up so much. Especially to your brother. He is tickled with the gun, especially it's appearance. It is the nicest looking CZ I've ever seen in person.

PCRCCW, shoot me a PM one of these days and we'll hook up and shoot. I was looking at your holsters the other day and I may have to break down and get a good one for my CZ. My brother will need one as well. I'll steer him your direction. . . I may pick your brain on a concealment holster for work. I work a government job and while it is legal for me to carry, the repercussions if discovered wouldn't be good. It'd be nice to get some advice from someone who knows what they are talking about.

Shake

 

[Shake]

Wondernine,

The only lubricant was the oil that was on the gun from the factory. It was pretty liberally applied, but to tell you the truth, I didn't watch the shop guy as he wiped it down. He may have wiped all the lubricant off the rails. I do know he didn't apply any afterwards.

I'm also wondering if the Nickel finish could be a factor as well. I'd imagine they make all CZ75s to the same specs, then apply the nickel finish. I'd guess that leads to a tighter slide to frame fit which may increase the friction the round has to overcome to cycle the slide. If that is the case, a little more breaking in may sove the ejection problem. Mind you all, I'm not overly concerned about this, just thinking. . .

Shake

 

[Walt Sherrill]

WWB VP

We have over 2500 members on the CZ Forum, and the vast majority of them own one or more CZs.

When I responded earlier that ejection problems with WWB Value Pack was a common problem, I wasn't blowing smoke. But its primarily the WWB VP in 9mm.

Not everyone has problems with WWB VP -- the majority probably don't --but its probably the most common problem noted by forum members.

As I mentioned earlier, the Value Pack round has a different extraction groove than any other brass I've seen, and it seems to cause extraction problems with a number of CZs.

Cleaning the extractor (remove it and clean out the cavity) seems to help.

Some folks find WWB VP to be very reliable, and very accurate. Others find it dirty and inaccurate. If, after cleaning the extractor, you start getting good results, use it. If the problems continue after removing any gunk behind the extractor, you'll probably want the previosuly mentioned new extractor spring (from Wolff -- its a new part.

 

[M2HMGHB]

The extractor could have some oil/dust on it causing the failures. After shooting mine we would have consecutive FTE with any ammo, then I read a thread here and it said to check the extractor. Well it is now 300 rounds later and no problem. As you stated the lube is applied quite vigorously.

I see wilde beat me to the point.

 

[CZ52GUY]

WWB FTE's

My P95DC has had WWB FTE's that went away with ammo switch. My CZ-75B had 2 FTF's (didn't load completely into battery with UMC) in 1st 100 rounds. About 500 rounds of stone cold reliable ever since (including WWB).

Try something else for a while (e.g, S&B) then come back to WWB later...I'm sure your brother will be pleased with your recommendation.

Best Wishes,

CZ52'

 

[armoredman]

I used all kinds of oddbal ammo in my CZ75 Compact, and nary a burble. My 6 Witness pistols, (only two left, ), never burped on anything but reloads, but I have heard about WW VP 9mm causing that type of malf. Go figure....

 

[PCRCCW]

Shake,
Ill shoot you a PM............as far as the WWB dilema Ive shot the holy crap out of it with nary a hiccup. But you guys are shooting a NIB gun......

The extractor may have had "OEM CZ GREASEGOO! still built up behind it...

You guys have to remember, these guns are shipped to resist rust and corrosion, in the event they spend YEARS in a warehouse somewhere.

You really need to clean the crap out of them before you judge them, and shoot at least 500 rnds through them before you start to really be TOO CRITICAL!.......

Just a note.

 

[DJL2]

No CZ's here, finally found a shop that carries them though. I have a 1911 that frequently, as in at least 1 of every 10 to 20, fails to extract/eject American .45 ACP. The ammo is total ****, completely underpowered. If the ammo does not have enough get up it likely isn't cycling the slide fully to extract and eject the case, especially if it is brand new. Although since many people seem to have this problem it could be something else. Lube is important too. My Dad and I shot his Beretta, a realible pistol in our experience, almost unlubed once. It could barely cycle and frequently had problems with extraction and ejection. So, shoot a few hundred rounds though it, properly clean and lube it and see if the problem persists. Try different brands of ammo. Why spend money modifying the gun when you can shoot better ammo for the same money (shop around, Winchester is not that cheap nor that good in my opinion). I can recommend Georgia Arms or S&B. Hey, why not buy ammo from the same country as the gun?

 

[Bohica]

3 words. Break in period.

Bo

 

[Sean Smith]

I think the only bulk stuff I fed my CZ-75B was S&B. Always had great results with it, and you can find it for cheap.

Not every gun works with EVERY brand of ammo in the universe. Sometimes it is the ammo's fault.