New P365, new favorite CCW

[Madcap_Magician]

Have a pic?

Your wish is my command.

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• Madcap_Magician
• Apr 4, 2018

Sig P365 flat on the left, Glock 19 Gen 4 on the right

This shows the comparative thickness between the Sig P365 on the left, and a Gen 4 G19 on the right. The G19 does have frame texturing, but it doesn't really alter the width of the gun.

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• Madcap_Magician
• Apr 4, 2018

Sig XRay3 front sight on the left, Ameriglo I-Dot Pro on the right.

On the left you have the front sight of the Sig P365 with the updated Sig XRay3 sights. They have a neon green ring around a tritium vial. The rear sights are a pair of tritium vials surrounded by black rings. On the right you have Ameriglo I-Dot Pro sights, which features a brighter, orange-red fluorescent ring around a tritium vial and a Straight-Eight format single tritium vial on the rear sight surrounded by a thin, faintly shiny aluminum ring. The Ameriglo, or the equivalent HD sights from Trijicon, are noticeably better quality, and red-orange is hands-down a better color for the front sight. But I'm not so sure that they're so much better that I'd bother replacing them. The XRay3 sights are certainly a cut above the normal factory sights at this price range and above most companies' standard night sights.

Some things to point out are how the Sig P365 is very faintly wasp-waisted toward the middle where the ring of your thumb to trigger finger grips the gun. This helps with comfort tremendously. With the 10-round magazine and extended base plate, the Sig is about a third of an inch shorter than a Glock 19 with a standard 15-round magazine. It is also about a third of an inch shorter from frontstrap to backstrap of the grip.

The Sig P365 points very naturally for me one-handed, much more naturally than any other pistol I've owned or shot. Two-handed it is as good as any other. Really not sure why one-handed is so natural with it.

 

[Walkalong]

On the left you have the front sight of the Sig P365 with the updated Sig XRay3 sights.

Thank you! I am going to be keeping my eye out for a P365 locally.

 

[george burns]

What are you guys paying for these new sigs. I imagine they will drop in a few months.

 

[scaatylobo]

Paid 529.00 before tax.
Was very happy to get it at any price.

 

[Walkalong]

Yea, they are bringing top dollar right now.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

What are you guys paying for these new sigs. I imagine they will drop in a few months.

Mine was $549 before tax.

 

[340PD]

The Sig P365 points very naturally for me one-handed, much more naturally than any other pistol I've owned or shot. Two-handed it is as good as any other. Really not sure why one-handed is so natural with it.

I completely agree with your comments especially regarding one handed shooting. I too find this little gun will allow me to put accurate shots on target using weak or strong hand only even with the flat based mags. Using two hands slow fire I am very accurate but I find myself adjusting my support hand grip every three or four shots. No so offhand, which just means I need to alter my normal grip pressure using two hand hold.
Yesterday I ran 100 rounds of handloads strong hand only at 75' with very good results and I am fast approaching the point where I will consider this little firearm my "go to" carry gun.

 

[340PD]

I have a Kahr P9 that I'm not all too happy with, so I plan on replacing it with this. Assuming my calculations are correct, it's slightly smaller than a P9. I would be fine with that...the PM9 was too small for me. But seeing how this is (will be) my carry piece, getting the bugs worked out of it is crucial.
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I can't help you with the "bugs" as mine has been perfect through 400 rounds so far. No wear marks anywhere other than the normal polish marks from firing any new gun.
For years I carried a PM9 and shot it quite well as I am a DA revolver shooter. If I had a complaint with the Kahr it would be the extremely long trigger pull before the shot broke. Once you get used to it it is fine but just picking it up the first carefully aimed slow fire shot seemed to take forever especially off handed.
The P365 trigger is smooth and breaks with half the travel of my PM9.
The reset is relatively short.
The P365 grip is more rounded than the Kahr. I much prefer the Sig grip shape.
My P365 fits all my PM9 holsters both leather and kydex, probably due to the shape of the trigger guard. (note the Sig's nice undercut trigger guard )
There is a weight difference between the two especially fully loaded, but carrying IWB with a good quality belt, I do not notice the difference at all.
OWB I just pop in the 12 round mag and enjoy the 10oz weight savings over my larger carry guns.
I paid at my LGS $515 plus tax. mid March.
Two pics with them swapped just for comparison.

 

[Hokkmike]

Will get to test fire a P-365 today. Anxious to see how it feels and what it (I) can do.

 

[Edcnh]

Would definitely like to try one out before buying the gun. They can not be found anywhere near me as of now.

 

[CNobbe]

I bought mine without trying first. I figured that if I didn't like it for some reason - it'd be really easy to trade/sell for something else. So far through 600 rounds I'm quite happy with it, but it's not my favorite range plinker. I think it's "broken in" to the point where occasional practice with it is okay.

 

[Brian Hackman]

Well it appears i am jumping into the conversation a little bit later than most folk on this conversation. let me start off by stating i am the friend of hokkmikes that bought the sig 365 and the one he did get to test fire. I will let him share his thoughts after the range trip. But he did have the opportunity to shoot his glock and the 365. For myself i bought this pistol as a replacement for my taurus pt 709 which i carried in my pocket for several years. I am very happy with the Sig 365 and have find it to be very accurate, part of which i believe is because i wad used to a small pistol with the taurus. I myself do not like the ergonomics of the Glocks so i would not cars for hokkmikes pistol and i have shot both. I recently got a pocket holster fir the Sig and do not find it to heavy at all to carry this way. But that is another point that will probably differ fr person to person. We have had this same discussion about the 380 vs 9mm Oakes and really i believe it boils down to what are you most comfortable carrying.... There are several reasons that i choose 9mm and hokkmike has his reasons that he carries the 380. Just wanted to add my own thoughts into the mix here.

 

[Doublehelix]

Welcome to THR Brian.

Thanks for your quick review. Your post would be an easier read however if you put spaces between paragraphs. Your post sort of ran together like one long sentence!!!

 

[Walkalong]

Anyone have a pic of the sight picture? Is the a gap on both sides of the front sight (Inside of the rear) to let light through? (Old eyes)

 

[Hokkmike]

Hokkmike, when you do get to shoot the P365 I look forward to your opinion. I have about 300 trouble free rounds through mine and I have had a couple of co-workers run a mag or two. I wear XL gloves and I am stunned at the ease of shooting this little powerhouse. Up until now my Kahr PM9 was my favorite small semi but after a bit more testing, I suspect the Kahr will move to the back of the safe. I don't personally see the need for a twelve round mag and I actually shoot everything with the flat base 10 rounders. I did buy a couple of spare mags $45/each, (OUCH).
Other than that, I can't see the need for any aftermarket additions.

Recoil was mild to barely noticeable. The gun was very accurate. I did not try rapid fire as I was using somebody else's ammo. The gun seem to fit fairly well in my pocket. I am wondering how the heavier weight my feel after a couple of hours or so. For purely pocket carry reasons the G-42 is a better choice. As for capacity and caliber superiority the P-365 deserve some serious consideration. I am now going focus on the relative efficacy of more modern and powerful .380 rounds vs. the 9mm. Also, would need to lug that pistol around for a day or some and see if it constitutes an overly heavy pocket weight.

 

[Walkalong]

For purely pocket carry reasons the G-42 is a better choice. ................... I am now going focus on the relative efficacy of more modern and powerful .380 rounds vs. the 9mm. Also, would need to lug that pistol around for a day or some and see if it constitutes an overly heavy pocket weight.

But your not biased of course.

Although I do have to give you credit for...

As for capacity and caliber superiority the P-365 deserve some serious consideration.

After all, it is a thread about a 9MM P-365.

 

[Peakbagger46]

I got to handle and dry fire one the other day at sportsman’s warehouse. Felt good in the hand, trigger and trigger reset were good to excellent. Really liked the grip texture too, not too slippery.

They (Sportsman’s) has them in stock online for $500. I’m going to wait a bit, but think this will replace my Shield. I’ve been really happy with the Shield, but extra rounds on tap is a very good thing. I’m no hero or mall ninja, but carrying as an off duty LEO, I appreciate options. Capacity can be important.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

First of all Kudo's to Sig for developing what seems to be a great gun in the competitive sub-compact market. On this thread, I do not understand why the 380 pistols are being discussed. These are two different tools. And I do not consider the sub-compact 9mm to be a pocket gun. I recently spent quite a bit of time researching for a new sub-compact 9mm to replace or add to my LC9S which I have shot thousands of rounds down range. I finally settled on the Beretta Nano. And for all my personal wants and desires in a small 9mm, this gun fit me perfectly in every area. Small, well built, fast to target, reliable as hell, great trigger, great balance etc.

I see some similarities between the Sig and the Nano. Weight, size etc. I also see something that I think is really important. The trigger is described sounds just like the Nano. After so many years of shooting the Ruger (which is a fine gun), I just wanted to get away from the 4.1lb light crisp trigger for CCW. The Nano was perfect. Not too long, Not too short, and at around the same weight as the Sig, about 6.1-6.5 lbs and very SMOOTH. As Patrick Sweeney described it as "Once I’d relearned proper short-gun double-action follow-through, I was able to shoot some very nice groups with the Nano." Interesting was the fact that spending just a little bit of time leaning the new trigger, I am able to shoot it much better than I did with the Ruger's very light Crisp trigger. (And I felt I was a competent shooter with the Ruger( Both the Nano and the Sig are described as double action. Feels like a hybrid of the two.The Nano for me, fits like a glove. Perfect balance, the gun is a very mild shooter with little muzzle flip. A few reasons that help in shooting the gun more accurately than the Ruger. At least for myself.
I get the feeling that the Sig and other small 9's will be coming out with similar triggers. I see a trend that may be coming. People getting away from the short, light glass triggers that became so popular. The Nano has been out there, the Sig is now really taking off, and the Springfield XE is doing well to just name a few.

If you like a short, Light, crisp trigger, these guns, most likely will not be your choice. That is fine, We all have our Certain criteria for a gun that may save our life. But do not think that a nice smooth double action style action or a longer pull and weight will hinder your fast action shooting. At least for Me, that was Not the case. I love this trigger.
The Sig sounds like a great gun. And bravo to them!

 

[Madcap_Magician]

Recoil was mild to barely noticeable. The gun was very accurate. I did not try rapid fire as I was using somebody else's ammo. The gun seem to fit fairly well in my pocket. I am wondering how the heavier weight my feel after a couple of hours or so. For purely pocket carry reasons the G-42 is a better choice. As for capacity and caliber superiority the P-365 deserve some serious consideration. I am now going focus on the relative efficacy of more modern and powerful .380 rounds vs. the 9mm. Also, would need to lug that pistol around for a day or some and see if it constitutes an overly heavy pocket weight.

I'm interested in your experience on that. I think I have opposite carry needs from you- I mostly IWB belt carry, and only pocket carry in pants with very large pockets occasionally.

 

[Hokkmike]

I'm interested in your experience on that. I think I have opposite carry needs from you- I mostly IWB belt carry, and only pocket carry in pants with very large pockets occasionally.

I need to know what your tag line means? Is it Finnish?

 

[Hokkmike]

But your not biased of course.

Although I do have to give you credit for...
After all, it is a thread about a 9MM P-365.

I have tried to be objective. You know how it is when considering a new gun. You try to talk yourself into and out of.....

 

[valnar]

My LGS is pretty worthless on ordering guns. Can anyone recommend a reputable online dealer who'll ship to an FFL? (I realize any place will have a wait for this)

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I need to know what your tag line means? Is it Finnish?

Yes, a battle cry from Gustavus Adolphus's light cavalry. Roughly translated "Cut them down!"

 

[Old Dog]

I need to know what your tag line means? Is it Finnish?

I asked him if he was a Finn a while back and he said he's not ... I am, though (see my sig line).

Back on topic, I just found a 365 locally and it felt great ... if it's still in the store when I get back in the next couple days, I'm buying it.

 

[MedWheeler]

Valnar writes:

My LGS is pretty worthless on ordering guns. Can anyone recommend a reputable online dealer who'll ship to an FFL? (I realize any place will have a wait for this)

I've had good experiences with Bud's Gun Shop and Kentucky Gun Company ( www.budsgunshop.com and www.kygunco.com ) I don't know that either has the P365 in stock right now, though. As you said, there will likely be a wait.