New police firearms unit confiscates hundreds of guns

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http://www.gazette.net/200413/montgomerycty/county/208212-1.html

by C. Benjamin Ford
Staff Writer
Mar. 24, 2004


Lt. Michael Mancuso (left) and Sgt. Kenneth Berger display some of the weapons the county police's Firearms Investigation Unit has recovered in the past year or so. The unit evolved from the tens of thousands of tips called into police during the 2002 sniper attacks.

Police investigators expected to find guns inside a Kensington home when they raided it in April. But they did not expect to find so many.

Police found 57 handguns, shotguns, rifles and assault rifles, said Sgt. Kenneth Berger of the county police department's Firearms Investigation Unit. Guns lay on tables, under furniture and hidden in wall niches. In a bunker-like room in the basement, they found kegs holding eight pounds of black gunpowder.

The police investigated after getting complaints from neighbors that the man who owned the home had threatened to shoot children as they played basketball.

"There is no doubt in my mind that lives have been saved by the work of this unit," Berger said.

The man was committed to a psychiatric hospital after the raid. He has since been released and is seeking to have his weapons returned, Berger said. However, under state and federal law, police can confiscate the weapons of those committed for mental health problems.

This is just one of the hundreds of cases investigated by the county police under a pilot program launched in 2003.

Police set up a task force to focus on firearms violations following the thousands of tips received during the 2002 sniper investigation. By the end of last year, the task force investigated more than 365 cases and seized more than 360 firearms; that compares to the roughly 500 firearms seized annually by the rest of the police department, said Lt. Michael Mancuso, who helped create the unit.

Across the state, guns were used to commit 354 homicides, 6,734 robberies and 3,744 assaults in 2002, the most recent year available, said Maryland State Police Sgt. Thornnie Rouse.

Montgomery County may not have the crime problems of other jurisdictions: Last year, guns were used in eight homicides, 408 robberies and 150 assaults. Nevertheless, county police saw a growing need for a permanent firearms unit, which was established last month, Mancuso said.

The unit evolved from the original task force included officers from the Maryland-National Capital Park Police, the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office and the U.S. Secret Service, as well as Berger and three detectives. Some agencies dropped out because of a lack of manpower, but the unit continues to work with a sheriff's deputy to ensure that people served with protective orders do not have firearms, Mancuso said.

When a gun is used in a crime, police do not always have the time or experience to trace where the handgun came from -- something the firearms unit can do, Mancuso said. It tracks guns used in crimes to find where they come from and if they have been purchased legally.

"We have people who are buying guns just to traffic on the street," Mancuso said. "It shows a pattern of where guns being found at crime scenes are showing up from, if it's from one source.

"If we can get the guns out of the wrong hands, then that is what our job is to do," he said. "We need to get them out of the hands of people with criminal or mental histories, the people who are not legally allowed to own firearms based on their criminal history or mental health issues."

But James Purtilo, publisher of gun rights newsletter Tripwire, worries that the police are taking aim at the rights of legitimate gun owners "without any public safety benefit."

"It puts people under the scrutiny of the police for no other reason than lawfully purchasing a gun," said Purtilo, a Silver Spring resident.

"These are officials driven by ideology and experimentation of social control who are going after people only because they legally own firearms," he said.

The case in Kensington is an example of how the unit is seizing legally purchased guns, Purtilo said. "His real crime appears to be not fitting in well with the People's Republic of Kensington," he said.

The police said they are careful of the rights of legitimate gun owners.

"We're not trying to take guns away from anybody who can legally own them," said Officer Derek Baliles. "We knew this would be controversial, and we have been sensitive to this from the beginning."

The firearms unit is backed by anti-gun supporters.

"Law enforcement can defend themselves against those allegations best, but as a group that stands behind efforts to staunch gun violence, we support proactive steps," said Rob Wilcox, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a lobbying group in Washington, D.C. "Proactive steps by the Montgomery County Police will make a difference in preventing crime and saving lives."

The firearms investigators also point to their work in cracking a gun shop burglary and ending an illegal firearms market as showing the value of the unit.

After a Feb. 22, 2003, burglary of Galyan's sporting goods store in Gaithersburg where 24 handguns were stolen, task force members working with the federal agents arrested two suspects. Two of the guns were recovered, but 22 others were believed to have been sold on the street.

And after Officer Kyle Olinger was shot during a traffic stop on Aug. 13, firearms investigators traced the gun to a Hagerstown man who had 14 handguns registered in his name. During an Aug. 27 raid on his home, police found only one handgun, Mancuso said.

The man claimed all of his other guns had been stolen, though he never filed a crime report. The police discovered that five of the guns had been recovered at crime scenes in Virginia, New York City and Washington, D.C.

At his sentencing on six counts of illegal firearm transfers, the Hagerstown man received a 60-day jail sentence.

"We were disappointed he only received 60 days in that case," Mancuso said. "However, now he's a convicted felon. He won't be able to buy any more guns for his illegal trade."







Frederick County | Montgomery County | Carroll County | Prince George's Co
 
So, somebody has a vendetta against you, trumps up some "statement against the children," the police arrest you, commit you, then confiscate your "arsenal."

What ever happened to America?

Afterall, he must have been evil to have so many guns, and 8 POUNDS of black powder. :rolleyes:
 
I believe the Soviets were keen on using "mental illness" as a means to silence and marginalize the dissidents. Why not use it as a means to deprive people of their rights and property here? The Left seems to take their cue from the USSR and the People's Republic elsewhere, so what's new?
 
The man was committed to a psychiatric hospital after the raid. He has since been released and is seeking to have his weapons returned, Berger said. However, under state and federal law, police can confiscate the weapons of those committed for mental health problems.

Should read: "We sent him to the psychiatric hospital so he can't ever get his guns back. We needed them more. It was for the children.":rolleyes:
 
Police found 57 handguns, shotguns, rifles and assault rifles, said Sgt. Kenneth Berger of the county police department's Firearms Investigation Unit. Guns lay on tables, under furniture and hidden in wall niches. In a bunker-like room in the basement, they found kegs holding eight pounds of black gunpowder.
So they find his guns and he has his black powder in a secure room, like a responsible citizen; and it is referred to as a "bunker". I guess every bank and savings and loan in the country has a "bunker" that they keep the money in every night.

The police investigated after getting complaints from neighbors that the man who owned the home had threatened to shoot children as they played basketball.
So they did a pee-pee dance while screaming "He's the Devil!" and the police rounded him for an exorcism.

"There is no doubt in my mind that lives have been saved by the work of this unit," Berger said.
Likely not as many as the number of lives they have destroyed. Note the unproveable negative in the comment. :rolleyes:

The man was committed to a psychiatric hospital after the raid. He has since been released and is seeking to have his weapons returned, Berger said. However, under state and federal law, police can confiscate the weapons of those committed for mental health problems.
What better way to make sure you can condemn a man without a trial and confiscate his property without due process than to commit him to a mental hospital without his consent and then say "You are disallowed from firearms ownership because you have been in a mental institution."

Ah, Joe, your minions have awakened.
 
The unit evolved from the original task force included officers from the Maryland-National Capital Park Police, the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office and the U.S. Secret Service, as well as Berger and three detectives
I think the Prophet Matthew Bracken predicted this. STU?
 
There isn't a day that passes where I am not thankfull for having the resources to move away from the violent, crime ridden, unAmerican socialist dump that Maryland has become, and return the the United States of America south of the Potomac.
 
So he was committed, and they released him? The police sent him in for an evaluation and the phsyciatrists said he was sane enough to release? Did they ever take him to court, or did he go willingly? Something smells here.

If they are not going to return his guns I think he should be allowed to have ffl dealers come and inspect them and purchase them from him. It is not right for the cops to profit from making it illegal for him to own guns.
 
7.62FullMetalJacket...

"So, somebody has a vendetta against you, trumps up some "statement against the children," the police arrest you, commit you, then confiscate your "arsenal." "

Do you have any evidence that this is in fact what happened? That some one did in fact "trump up" a charge against him because of a vendetta?
 
Bookmark this story, when the next LEO bleats "I can't understand why there's so much anti-cop sentiment on this board?" I'll keep an open mind, however...someone please post links for all the supposedly "honest cops", who truly care about the RKBA, rising up to police these rogues in their ranks.

I'll be holding my breath.

PS: The usual excuse "don't blame the cops, they're only doing their job...blame the politicians who pass the laws"; doesn't apply here, does it? In this case, cops are intentionally going out of their way to target a specific "problem" (aka political agenda).

Still holding breath.
 
No, I have no evidence of that. I do know that it was "for the children," the police "custodized" the gun owner, and he was "in" a mental institution, and now wants his guns back, which will neve happen, cause they say so.

I was just fillin' in the blanks, hypothetically, of course.

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I may have also been pointing out HOW EASY it is to confiscate guns
 
The police investigated after getting complaints from neighbors that the man who owned the home had threatened to shoot children as they played basketball.

The evidence for informants with a grudge seems to be in the story. The man is walking the street, so the charges aren't provable. Neighbors informing on each other to settle grudges is also something very reminiscent of the USSR or Nazi Germany.
 
The story says they "raided" the guy's home.

The story says the firearms unit "investigated" this.

The story says the man was "committed" to a mental hospital.

The story DOESN'T say anything like "police obtained a valid warrant" or "police served a valid warrant."

I hope the omission is due only to sloppy reporting, and I hope that the warrants were obtained on more basis than just "complaints from neighbors."
 
I find this bit telling:

At his sentencing on six counts of illegal firearm transfers, the Hagerstown man received a 60-day jail sentence.

So, they make a huge deal about having a "gun crime unit," but when they actually convict someone of illegal transfers (SIX of them), the guy only gets 60 days in prison? Am I the only one that sees a disconnect here?
 
I thought that at least under Federal law you are disqualified from owning a firearm if you have been in a mental installation for more than 30 days.

I do disapprove of the way the man was storing his firearms, leaving them laying around all over the place in his home, if that is true.
 
Aside from leaving himself wide open to having his guns stolen, if he's the only person in the house, he's not endangering anyone by having the guns all over the house. Let's look at this:

Guns lay on tables- my guns sit on the table when I'm cleaning them

under furniture-you're telling me nobody here has rifles under the bed and/or couch?

and hidden in wall niches- ie, in out of the way corners occupying space that probably wouldn't be used otherwise.

Granted, it would be much better if he had a couple of sturdy cabinets or safes to keep them in. But 57 guns, assume a 50/50 split between longarms and handguns, and that still requires a couple of large safes. Couple of thousand dollars is a lot to spend on what may be a large collection of $50 milsurps.
 
8 pound kegs of powder? 57 guns? So FRIGGIN' what!!!!

Now I'm going out to the back porch, 'cause the rest isn't fit for THR. :cuss: :cuss: :fire: :fire:

We're going to see more and more of this crap, Ruby Ridge and Waco incedents will become more and more common.
 
Stories like this are why my mind is set in not telling any future neighbors or friends about my hobby. If no-one knows about it, something like this would be hard for ANY abc branch to pull off.
 
Another reason I will never live in Montgomery Kounty. I remember reading about this unit when it first started, this seems like a rehash of exactly the same article. But more interesting is the photo accompanying the article. This is a blatant attempt to draw support for the assualt weapons ban.

The sheeples will believe the guy in the story owned an illeagle assualt weapon just from looking at the pic.

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The man was committed to a psychiatric hospital after the raid. He has since been released and is seeking to have his weapons returned, Berger said. However, under state and federal law, police can confiscate the weapons of those committed for mental health problems.

Read between the lines here. The man was sent to a psych ward for a certain minimum period because the cops reported him as a psych case. They had NOTHING on him, so he was released. But now they say he can't have his iron back because they wrongly thought he was a mental patient. Good gravy.

These are the folks who give LEO's a bad name. Frankly they make me grateful for the ones we have around here.
 
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