new policy concerning concealed carry

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our company has made some policies.In the new handbook,they state no guns,ammunitions or weapons of any sort are to be brought onto company premises(including the parking lot)
Well, you can thank them for taking full, 100% liability for any harm that should befall you either at work or during your commute as a direct result of their policy that a) disarms you and b) fails to protect disarmed employees.

Even though you're not in Texas, you might find the following link to be interesting: http://www.tsra.com/boma_letter.htm
 
Hank brings up a good point...they have taken full responsibility for your safety. So, if you get hurt at work, its a workers compensation case, if you get shot or injured because of some whacko, it must be a workers compensation case too since it would be a workplace injury or death.

Thank God I live in Texas! I have my SigPro 2340 IWB right now(like always). Freedom is an amazing feeling!
 
I am in a similar situation at my place of employment. They do not allow concealed weapons on premises or in the parking area. You consent to a search of your vehicle when hired, as a condition of employment. To be honest, I ignore the stupid policy and keep my weapon locked in a mini-safe inside the locked car. I also keep it a tightly guarded secret and never tell ANYONE! I know it is almost useless when it is stored so securely. If the management ever wanted to search I would politely tell them to F____ OFF ! and I would find another job. It is definitley not worth my life to allow the corporate policy to render me defenseless. :fire: EXAMPLE: There is an individual at my place of employment who is an introverted reclusive strangoid. This person has made several references to "I'll just come in here one morning and shoot the place up". :eek: Whenever he gets angry with management decisions that do not reflect his wishes. A manager happened to overhear him and was visibly shaken when I said "Oh nevermind Mr. XXXXX, he always says that kind of stuff". I then said not to worry 'cause he'll probably come after you first and you can't do anything about it ! :D Thanks to your COMPANY POLICY !!!!!! He understood the point..................
 
The company I currently work for had such a provision in their handbook the year I started about cars and the parking lot. However, for some reason I have yet to find out, the following year, it was amended to specifically say company vehicles, not all vehicles.

The right to concensual search of vehicles, IMHO, is not given, but it is given to anything that interacts with the work environment (cubical, drawers, notebooks, backpacks, etc.).

I think the parking lot issue is spot on, because they don't want you transfering weapons from one car to another on their property. That is their right to do. Remember the AOL guys.

My arguement on the whole car thing is that it is my car that is on their property. What's in my car is my property. Their rights end at my tires. They can tell me to no longer park on their property, but they can't tell me what to do inside my car because it is my property.

Also, I'm not sure what your specific revision of policy entails, but did you have to sign something when it was re-issued? If so, you may have given them the right to search you as a term of employment.

I know its this way in Florida. You have the right to carry on your person at your place of business. Your employer also has the right to fire you for doing so.
 
Just a thought and slightly OT from the L&P theme of CCW vs. Work, but I just had a brainstorm about searches in a locked car. If they find the lockbox, and you refuse to open it, you're likely to still be terminated...

There are several flat pistol lockboxes with pushbutton locks out there that are suitable for mounting in cars. Many people have upgraded stero systems with extra boosters and amps in the trunk, or under the seats. These Amps often look just like one of these lockboxes, but with that domed aluminum heatsink and radiator vanes on top...

I smell a project coming on... :evil:

Make this:
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Look like this:
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I know there's a very similar unit to the lockbox above out there for sale, but the gun compartment slides out like a cash register drawer, it's also black, that'd make blending it in as the body of an amp even easier. Just buy an old amp on the used market from some kid upgrading his "boom car". Another possible source would be to buy the cheapest thing you can find at one of those computer and stereo flea market shows that caters to those looking for the hoopty-car look, but can't afford the ca$h. Mount the heatsink cover on top, add a few fake wires that run off under the rug and presto!
 
AJ, where would one find a box like the white one pictured, and how much do they cost? I know my cube mate would be very interested in one for a P32 he's looking into buying, and I would like one myself to secure my pistol, and the bolts for my rifles. The main attraction is the mechanical (i.e. no batteries required) keypad combo lock.
 
They're all over the place. Ads in the back of most gun magazines, major outfitters and sporting goods chains often sell them too. All the ones sized for a single pistol seem to be around $90-110 in price.

Search the internet for "Gun Lockbox".

Since my wife's pregnant with twins, I've moved the nightstand gun into a GunVault brand unit bolted to the floor under the nightstand. (I know, it's a little early, but once the kids are here, I can only assume cash will be short...) http://www.gunvault.com/ I got it for $95 on sale with a $5 cupon at Dunham's Sports.

This is the famous battery operated one everyone knows about that I got. However, if batteries make you nervous, it does have a key backup, an external AC power source is availible with the batteries then in a backup role if the power goes out. The unit will also give you a signal when the batteries are getting weak well before it would stop operating. You could also buy some lithium AA's from Radio Shack or a camera store if you want some serious life out of the batteries, or a serious margin of safety in the battery life. It just has to click a little selonoid once, and run the keypad, so they do last a long while.

Here's the place I got that pic from: www.safe-guns.com and there's plenty of others out there.

The one I'm thinking of for the car, to disguise in an amp body would be a non-electric one with that kind of lock on it, but it's flatter and the gun slides out in a drawer instead. Of course, if it's just for your house, all sorts of sizes and operating styles would work. I'd also worry about summer heat and winter cold in the car ruining battery life as well.
 
My company said no weapons in company vehicles. I'm in sales and the only person in my state from my company. I carry.
 
i would have to agree on parking on the street. my brother just got the letter from Proctor & Gamble this week. though i am not sure if it stopped you from having one in the car.
 
The company I work for has always had that policy...and I'm sure they'll send out a reminder soon. I've never heard of them asking to search a car, and I doubt they ever will. If they ever do ask me to step outside and open the trunk of my car, I will go out, but I'll drive away. If they fire me over that, so be it...I'll claim that I was frightened, intimidated, and due to my aging prostate, I had to pee - and I'll betcha I would win in court.
 
Let me tell yall a little about CCW's and big companys.

A good story...the kind you never hear...


After the Sept.11 crisis, many things were done to implement security all over the nation. One of the things that recieved little notice was the tightening up of security procedures at power plants, in particular nuclear power plants.

Companys that owned nuclear power plants spent millions of dollars on new equipment,training and many even hired additional security personell.Things that were low priority suddenly became important in the eyes of coporate America when it was realized that perhaps we werent as secure as we once thought.

Personell and security policys were reviewed and brought up to date. Badged personell underwent new background checks and were made aware of changes.

In my particular company,one of the largest nuclear operaters in the nation, the plant manager of the one of the nuclear plants decided to ban personal weapons in the parking lot. I supect that he did it soley because he thought it was the right thing to do.

What he didnt understand,or know, was that a fair number of his employees chose to carry weapons in their vehicle. Being from rural communities from a fairly large (and predominatley conservative)area, he recieved much negative feedback about this. Out of over 1000 employees, over 25 percent had CCW's. Three were CCW insructors and very active in the local shooting club.

So, in a meeting of minds the instructors informed him of the reason that people carried and how the law dealt with it and pretty much enlightend the plant manager in things he had never really thought about.

To their credit, all was done in a very polite and proffesional manner and he was even told about a CCW class that was coming up.

Low and behold, the manager and his wife decided that in light of recent events, they alone would be responsible for their individual security and they both enrolled in the class. Neither had much of a background in guns, but after a bit of special instruction in the fine arts of gunhandling they
took the class and did quite well when the shooting part of it took place.

The manager all of a sudden had a different outlook on personal weapons...to the extent that he amended the rules for carrying concealed weapons in the parking lot. Every day at work, when we enter into the protected area, we are subject to search. I have been searched numerous times. The guncase under the seat with the .40 caliber in it is not a concern. The guards dont even give it a second look. Occasionally a gun savy guard will ask what you've got, just out of interest and curiosity.

In this case, a rule that seemed to be pretty anti-gun was changed through intelligent converstaion and perception, thus making it a success story.

While I dont expect it to ring true everywhere, it certainly cant hurt to talk to the people that make the rules. I think that sometimes when seemingly bad rules are made that we mistakenly think that they cant or wont be changed.

I mean, who would have thought that at a nuclear plant with guards all over the place carrying M-16's that we would have ever had a chance to talk about and change the rule ?

If I was a betting man, Id have lost a Coke over that one...:scrutiny:
 
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