New RemArms 870 review

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On January 4th I had a local gun shop order a new Benelli M2 20ga. I specifically wanted a 24" barrel because I wanted to use it for turkey hunting, but 26" wasn't out if a 24" couldn't be located. But no longer than 26". I left a $500 deposit and was told 4-8 weeks to get it in.

I checked in yesterday and they called the distributor. Was told if they put it on a ship from Italy today it would be 3 months before it would show up in the store. I'd already waited 2 months, and 3+ more was longer than I was willing to wait.

They did have a new 26" barreled 20 ga 870 priced at $499.95. I looked it over, liked it and left with it instead. The store ate the tax and let me have it for the $500 deposit I'd already made. Remington shotgun barrels are almost always shorter than advertised and this one measured 25 1/2". Since Benelli uses a longer receiver my 870 ends up only about 1" longer overall than the Benelli would have. That is close enough. And saving $800, (almost enough to buy 2 more 870's) didn't hurt.

Observations:

Real walnut and real cut checkering. The old reverse stamped checkering, even on a Wingmaster, was almost a deal killer for me. The wood finish looks like an old school tung oil finish which I like. The open pores of the walnut are visible. I never liked the bowling ball finish used on the higher end Wingmaster.

The metal is a matte finish similar to the old 870 Express but is a darker color and is better done. Perfect for what I'm going to do with it. They come with sling swivel studs from the factory now. I've not fired it yet, but it feeds and ejects perfectly. It needs a little breaking in, but otherwise is just fine.

Two minor QC issues. Mine came with 1 modified choke tube and 2 full choke tubes. No Improved Cylinder tube, which is the one I'd use most. I almost never use a full choke tube. If I need more than modified, I go straight to an aftermarket extra full turkey tube. And I already have one of those.

And it is 2 ounces heavier than the 6 1/2 lb advertised weight. I can pick up an IC choke tube, and I'm not really worried about 2 ounces.

Pics:

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The receiver is now drilled and tapped for optics.

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I would be curious about barrel interchangeability. The new Remington owners have no obligation to keeping any of the millions of old Remingtons operational by making new parts that fit old guns.

But, your shotgun looks great. I am glad to see the Rem M870 back on the market. It is truly an outstanding, post WW2 American design. Given that the mechanism was designed for cost effective production, based on post WW2 manufacturing technology, it is remarkable its is still around.

If it shoots good, it is good. :p
 
mine are the express models that everyone on the gun sites hate .

Never had an issue with the Express. In fact I'd rather have it than a Wingmaster. Before Remington went under a Wingmaster was pushing $1000. If I'm paying that much I'll get a Beretta or Benelli semi for a little more.

Pump guns are work horses, not show horses and the Express guns I've owned and shot functioned 100%. They may have been a little less aesthetically appealing, but they worked and were priced right.

I do like the fact that the newest version has real walnut and real checkering. That is just enough class without being gawdy.

On the older Express models, I'd much prefer the synthetic stocks just to avoid the ugly hardwood with stamped checkering. The stamped checkering on older Wingmasters was an abomination as far as I was concerned. They did finally start using real checkering on Wingmasters starting at some point in the 1990's.
 
It appears RemArms is still a work in progress. Their website shows some guns available, but they don't have photos or info for them online yet. The 870's and 700's are getting out.
 
I bought an RemArms 870 Tactical a couple weeks ago. I looked it over good and didn’t see any wrong or were QC was lacking.
I have run probably 50-60 dummy shells through it with zero feeding, firing, or ejection issues.

so far so good. Glad to have the 870 still going. Whether I’m using it for HD work, grouse hunting, or shooting sporting clays, having an 870 in my hands brings a level of comfort, confidence, and reliability that years of experience has built up. Time will ultimately tell with this new one.

raising a glass to an old workhorse!
Steve
 
A month or so, I too purchased one just like yours. Very happy with my purchase. Definitely higher quality than they were making earlier. My fiend say’s management much more interested in making them right.
Does the friend know if they will begin manufacturing/supplying replacement parts or get an LEO contract again?
 
I have a 12ga 870 based, made by CBC, plastic stock, 24 inches and cl choke, with a 2 point sling.

Outstanding gun, accurate enough up to 100 meters with slugs and very reliable.

If I have time to go get it its my favorite gun for HD. Its a fight stopper.
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Update: have a couple hundred rounds through it now. POA/POI is std 870 setup we always got from an 870. Centered left/right and somewhere between a 50/50 and 60/40.
Buckshot patterns are 6” at 15 yds and 10” at 30 yds with Fed FC 9 pellet 00.
Slugs are dead nuts and grouping very tight. I don’t think I’ll have any issues getting A& B zone hits at 100 yds using factory bead sights.
So far every time I go to the range I take various boxes of birdshot or leftover 2 3/4 steel loads left over and will combat load and shoot a box or more as fast as I can shoot and reload.

not a single FTF/E yet. Trigger has an annoying bump in the pull I need to smooth out. Don’t need it lighter. Just get rid of the bump.

so far it has lived up to the well earned 870 reliability/reputation.

Steve
 
Never had an issue with the Express. In fact I'd rather have it than a Wingmaster. Before Remington went under a Wingmaster was pushing $1000. If I'm paying that much I'll get a Beretta or Benelli semi for a little more.

Pump guns are work horses, not show horses and the Express guns I've owned and shot functioned 100%. They may have been a little less aesthetically appealing, but they worked and were priced right.

I do like the fact that the newest version has real walnut and real checkering. That is just enough class without being gawdy.

On the older Express models, I'd much prefer the synthetic stocks just to avoid the ugly hardwood with stamped checkering. The stamped checkering on older Wingmasters was an abomination as far as I was concerned. They did finally start using real checkering on Wingmasters starting at some point in the 1990's.

Pumps can be both workhorses and show horses:

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This is my 1981 era Wingmasters TB. It has many thousands of rounds through it, (most of them by the original owner, whom I bought it from) and has beautiful wood.

My Model 12 is no slouch in the nice wood category either.
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Pumps can be both workhorses and show horses:

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This is my 1981 era Wingmasters TB. It has many thousands of rounds through it, (most of them by the original owner, whom I bought it from) and has beautiful wood.

My Model 12 is no slouch in the nice wood category either.
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that TB is a beautiful piece of wood. I would rate that a TC.

Steve
 
I’m picking up an 870 Police from Rem Arms tomorrow.

It should be an ideal stopper in close. I was however shocked and disappointed to find the drilled and tapped receiver. I much preferred the older, sleek, unmodified sighting channel. I do need need a damn “optic” on my pump gun.
 
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Every 870 that I have ever shot pattern really good and mine are the express models that everyone on the gun sites hate . I like mine and 2 of them I paid $225 out the door for them in 2016 , with a factory rebate and store credit card discount .
Remington 870 and 1100 barrels have always been known for pattern quality. I've shot literally hundreds of patterns with all kinds of shotguns, from cheap singles to high dollar trap guns. Those at the top end and some that have had custom work will be better but for consistent, even patterns with trap and skeet loads, you'll be hard pressed to beat the old Remingtons, Model 12s, and Brownings.
Turkey, deer and waterfowl are a whole nother thing.
 
Remington 870 and 1100 barrels have always been known for pattern quality. I've shot literally hundreds of patterns with all kinds of shotguns, from cheap singles to high dollar trap guns. Those at the top end and some that have had custom work will be better but for consistent, even patterns with trap and skeet loads, you'll be hard pressed to beat the old Remingtons, Model 12s, and Brownings.
Turkey, deer and waterfowl are a whole nother thing.
I put a buck kicker x full choke in mine and it patterns 00BK really good in both of my 3” 12 gauges . My brother in law was missing a lot of deer and I let him try my buck kicker in his using 000 Bk and it really tightened up his pattern . Then his son tried it in his 870 with the same results .
 
If the checkering were cut instead of pressed, I would agree. TCs had hand cut checkering.
Might have been you who told me or one of the other guys, but Remington had certain grades of wood, F being the highest I believe for the TC or higher end guns but if Remington had limited supplies, some TB's and field grade 870's have been known to have F grade wood because that's what was on hand.

I'm no expert, but if true, I'd say that's probably what happened in the case of your TB. It's nicer figured wood than what's on my TB
 
Thanks for the review. Glad to hear that quality is up with the new owners.
 
That is a pretty piece of wood, but the checkering is a deal killer for me. In the 1960's Winchester and Remington both experimented with that type of checkering to cut costs as well as some others. Everybody but Remington only did it for a few years then reverted back to real checkering.

I can understand using it on the budget line of guns, but even Marlin used real checkering on their budget guns. There is no reason for Remington to defile such a nice piece of wood with that.
 
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