New Remington Production Quality

Varminterror said:
10,000 people seems like a “very large number of folks” if they all came over for supper. But 10,000 people isn’t even within the volume of rounding error for the US population. Arguing that the Rem Rolling Block fans is a significant percentage of the R700 fan base is spitting into the ocean.
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I never said that Rolling Block fans were any percentage of Remington 700 fans. Not sure where you got that from?
What I said is there are likely far more Rolling Block fans than almost any other gun models Remington made, and Rolling Block fans likely out number any other model Remington ever made. Not even certain what "10,000 people" have to do with it when Rolling Block numbers made are in the millions, not thousands. And considering how many are still around and being used today after over 125+ years, it's obvious there's plenty of shooters enjoying them.
And the mere fact that after ceasing production in the early 1900's, Remington decided to make them again in 1997, and both Pedersoli and other custom makers like Lonestar saw enough demand to also bring them back to meet the modern demand for even more of the Rolling Blocks. I doubt Remington 700 production totals anything close to Rolling Block production.
 
mm93 said:
What I said is there are likely far more Rolling Block fans than almost any other gun models Remington made, and Rolling Block fans likely out number any other model Remington ever made.
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My point is that the above statement here is absolute nonsense.

The volume of Rolling Block fans compared to the volume of fans for ANY other Remington made is like spitting into the ocean. Stating there are more Rolling Block fans than any other Remington model made is completely delusional and misguided.
 
It is a shame that there are still people who seem to claim to know what was said in the boardrooms and lawyers' offices and are using their keyboard to trash Remington and people that they have never met. Our firm has been involved in bankruptcy actions and there is a great deal that outsiders could not know unless they were in the room. Please give it a rest.

Is the question not the current quality of a product?
 
I don't think anyone has to make any claims about closed door meetings to state the public record of a company, investment groups, and the professional history of a corporate executive.

Regarding the current product quality, as I said originally in this thread - there are prettier girls available to dance with, which don't come with so much baggage.
 
Varminterror said:
What I would say makes the most sense - Give attention to those which deserve it. If D'Arcy fails Remington again, then someone else gets a deal on the new business (he's building a pump and dump scheme - if it will grow, then he'll grow it far enough to have its own momentum, then sell it and move on to scavenging some other company - that's his process). Better, instead, to acknowledge the better companies in the game, even the better companies doing better with the R700 design than Remington ever did. Bergara is building R700's better than Remington ever built. Seekins, Aero, these 3 are all doing R700's better than Remington... companies which are firearms industry focused and supportive of shooting sports and sportsmen... Savage and Ruger are doing more for the sporting arms market than Remington has done in the last 30yrs.

Are we really supposed to ignore silver-tongued marketing speaking out of both sides of their mouth? When they formed the new company, they bailed on the AR-15 platform to avoid political pressure due to the court affirmed liability of the former Remington company advertising AR's to children, and claimed the new company was only meant to produce sporting arms, especially those for hunting.... I've hunted many different game species on 3 continents and over half of the states in the Union, but I can't put my finger on the hunting use for the Remington Tac-13... Back to pushing the same "Tactical" labeling they said, only a year ago, wasn't aligned with their vision for the new company...

Why do we "hope" for Remington's success? Remington - as the company which earned their reputation - is long dead and gone. The guy running it now laid off hundreds or thousands of American workers who had built the firearms which earned that reputation, just so he could divest capital and compensate investors. Why would we hope for his success? He's hired new work to make a new product which is a copy of the original design - if it were a Chinese company doing this overseas, would you "hope for their success" in the US market? Are we really meant to be excited by the fact there's an R on the box, which is only there because he bought the rights to the designs and trademarks for pennies on the dollar after he'd devalued the company for years?

I miss real 870's and R700's as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to pump money into his manipulative investment scheme just because of a logo.
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I agree with everything except the 2A, is not a "sport".

Aero and Seekins are both companies that understand this and deliver outstanding products not to sportsmen, for the shooting "sports", but to American patriots and those of us who exercise our 2A rights.
 
Varminterror said:
My point is that the above statement here is absolute nonsense.

The volume of Rolling Block fans compared to the volume of fans for ANY other Remington made is like spitting into the ocean. Stating there are more Rolling Block fans than any other Remington model made is completely delusional and misguided.
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I don't even think the Rolling Block would be top 5 fan favorite Remington model

700, 870, 1100/1187, 760/7600, model 8/81, 1860 Navy... all have at least a decent following.

Not to say the Rolling Blocks are bad rifles, or that I don't like them. I've almost pulled the trigger a few times on one.

I just think they have more popular models.
 
got my new 700adl. 1 in 8 twist, should handle slightly heavier bullets, nice trigger, tradition feed rails on receiver. (means i can carry it where i am used to)
..... i cannot stand rugers american magazines nor savages centerfeed deals. and yes i have ruger predator rifle.
.... gonna mount a out of date luepold scope on my out of date rifle and just be happy.
 
Varminterror said:
My point is that the above statement here is absolute nonsense.

The volume of Rolling Block fans compared to the volume of fans for ANY other Remington made is like spitting into the ocean. Stating there are more Rolling Block fans than any other Remington model made is completely delusional and misguided.
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Be nice he really likes them. I don't but he does. Remington got me with the 30 AR. You know the power of a 308 In an AR 15. So phooey on them. But I always wanted a new pump 308 like a prison guard. Not for an inflated price , a fair 800.00 would be ok . Match my 870's.
 
Seamaster31 said:
It is a shame that there are still people who seem to claim to know what was said in the boardrooms and lawyers' offices and are using their keyboard to trash Remington and people that they have never met. Our firm has been involved in bankruptcy actions and there is a great deal that outsiders could not know unless they were in the room. Please give it a rest.

Is the question not the current quality of a product?
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How they did Remington is much like what they almost accomplished with TWA. Just an object to sell off and sell down the river. No company pride or loyalty. I hope new shooters can experience the simple and wonderful 870.
 
If I could go back in time, one of the fun things I would do, would be to walk into a Coast to Coast and buy a brand new US made Remington 700 ADL deluxe with checkered US walnut stock,
 
IWAC said:
Seems like the American Rifleman has not yet met an advertiser's product they don't like!
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Rem Arms does not own the ammunition Remington brand. In fact, they do not own the Remington name or the ammuntion line. Vista Outdoors owns the Remington brand and the ammunition line and I understand the entire Vista Outdoors ammunition brands including CCI are up for grabs as Vista is distancing itself from what they perceive to be politically undesirable shooting sports. Rem Arms has nothing to do with Vista Outdoors so the tie in between Rem Arms quality and Vista Outdoors ammunition quality is incongruent.

How many times will people beat this dead horse into the ground. Rem Arms is not Remington. Vista Outdoors owns the Remington brand and they are not Remington either. Remington, the Big Green, is gone forever.
 
dieselchief said:
got my new 700adl. 1 in 8 twist, should handle slightly heavier bullets, nice trigger, tradition feed rails on receiver. (means i can carry it where i am used to)
..... i cannot stand rugers american magazines nor savages centerfeed deals. and yes i have ruger predator rifle.
.... gonna mount a out of date luepold scope on my out of date rifle and just be happy.
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What cal again?
 
dieselchief said:
got my new 700adl. 1 in 8 twist, should handle slightly heavier bullets, nice trigger, tradition feed rails on receiver. (means i can carry it where i am used to)
..... i cannot stand rugers american magazines nor savages centerfeed deals. and yes i have ruger predator rifle.
.... gonna mount a out of date luepold scope on my out of date rifle and just be happy.
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Sorry... was asking what bullet
 
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Varminterror said:
They're not "back."

A crook who had lead the collapse of other legacy companies was appointed by former investors to bleed the company dry and recoup their investments, and after doing so, he bought the ashes out of bankruptcy to make money selling on the name.

So Big Green was murdered, then his murderer tanned his hide and is wearing him like a suit, pretending to be Big Green... (and that's being generous to ignore the fact that the murderer REALLY cut up the body and the other valuable parts of Big Green were sold to other companies which actually do care about firearms enthusiasts and the market in which we live)...
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Factual, visual description of the modern history of Remington.
 
dieselchief said:
243...the one in 8 twist is a recent thing.
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I suppose "recent" is relative - but I don't think it's fair to say a fast twist 243win is any more "recent" than is the 243win itself. Mine weren't the first fast twist 243win's ever cut, and it wasn't such a new idea when I had my first fast twist barrel made over 20yrs ago. I'd venture that the first fast twist 243win was made sometime in 1952 or 3, a couple of years before the 243win was ever released. Considering that Warren Page, the conceptual father of the 243win, was a fan of the 6mm Navy, which already had a 1:7.5" twist, it's a fair bet that Page had used fast twist barrels even in his early iterations of the round before standardization...

Certainly, fast twist 243wins as FACTORY offerings is something we may have only seen in the last decade, but folks have been cutting fast twist 243wins for longer than they've been called 243win.
 
cfullgraf said:
I hope Remington has improved their production.

I have a Rem 700 chambered in 221 Rem and 17 Rem and an XR100 chambered in 223 Rem. All purchased around 2005 plus minus a year or two.

All three needed new triggers and some bedding work to get their groups up to par.
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I don't know what Remingtons' accuracy is "out of the box" in the past several years because before I've fired any Remington, I've stripped them down, pillar-bedded the action and a couple of inches ahead of the receiver, floated the barrel beyond that...and adjusted the trigger...all before shooting. When I feel it's ready, I take it out to the range and shoot a few 3-shot groups, than a 5-shot one with the ammo it likes best. They all have performed well under those conditions!
 
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