I was shooting my new Ruger 10/22 the other day for the second time and was dissapointed to have a number of ftfs(failure to fire) with the ammo I was using. I was using the cheap Remington ammo "Golden ....." that comes in a brick of 550 rounds. I tried to fire one particular round 3 times with no luck. There were 3 indentations denoting that the firing pin was working properly. Is this an ammo issue, and if so what other cheap plinking ammo should I switch to?
New Ruger 10/22 FTF Issues.
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heypete
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It's an ammo issue.
Centerfire rifle primers are very easy to make reliably, as they're simple to fill with priming compound.
Rimfire priming compound is "spun" into the cases, and sometimes doesn't get applied evenly. It happens on occasion, particularly with "bulk" ammo like Remington Golden Bullets and Federal bulk packs. I accept a few failures-to-fire as a cost of using cheap, fun plinking ammo.
I had one failure to fire on Sunday after about 400 rounds of the Remington bulk pack stuff. That's fine with me -- I just eject the round and keep shooting. If it happens enough that it's a problem for you, Federal makes good bulk-pack stuff that's for sale at Wal-Mart and other stores.
Higher-quality, non-bulk stuff may work better for you. I've had excellent luck with CCI ammunition, with two priming-related failures in 1,000 rounds of their Standard Velocity stuff. It's not $10/550 rounds (more like $25/500, I think...I haven't bought SV stuff for a while, but that sounds about right), but it's a lot more consistent than the bulk pack stuff.
I usually shoot with a suppressor, so I shoot a lot of subsonic stuff. I like Remington and CCI subsonics, and rarely get any problems with them.
.22s are notoriously finicky with feeding and extraction of certain types of ammo, but a failure to fire with three good strikes is definitely an ammo issue not an issue with the gun. Switch ammo if it's an issue for you, but otherwise enjoy the cheap stuff and stock up on what you can -- ammo prices seem to keep rising.
Centerfire rifle primers are very easy to make reliably, as they're simple to fill with priming compound.
Rimfire priming compound is "spun" into the cases, and sometimes doesn't get applied evenly. It happens on occasion, particularly with "bulk" ammo like Remington Golden Bullets and Federal bulk packs. I accept a few failures-to-fire as a cost of using cheap, fun plinking ammo.
I had one failure to fire on Sunday after about 400 rounds of the Remington bulk pack stuff. That's fine with me -- I just eject the round and keep shooting. If it happens enough that it's a problem for you, Federal makes good bulk-pack stuff that's for sale at Wal-Mart and other stores.
Higher-quality, non-bulk stuff may work better for you. I've had excellent luck with CCI ammunition, with two priming-related failures in 1,000 rounds of their Standard Velocity stuff. It's not $10/550 rounds (more like $25/500, I think...I haven't bought SV stuff for a while, but that sounds about right), but it's a lot more consistent than the bulk pack stuff.
I usually shoot with a suppressor, so I shoot a lot of subsonic stuff. I like Remington and CCI subsonics, and rarely get any problems with them.
.22s are notoriously finicky with feeding and extraction of certain types of ammo, but a failure to fire with three good strikes is definitely an ammo issue not an issue with the gun. Switch ammo if it's an issue for you, but otherwise enjoy the cheap stuff and stock up on what you can -- ammo prices seem to keep rising.
It could be one of three things.
1. Ammo
2. Ammo
3. Ammo
I'll bet my paycheck for a week it's #2.
Ditch the ammo, try some Federal if you're gonna do the bulk pack route or get some CCI Minimags and see your luck improve.
If neither of those work, try some different ammo.
1. Ammo
2. Ammo
3. Ammo
I'll bet my paycheck for a week it's #2.
Ditch the ammo, try some Federal if you're gonna do the bulk pack route or get some CCI Minimags and see your luck improve.
If neither of those work, try some different ammo.
Don't worry,99% chance your gun is fine.
Friends that I take shooting keep insisting that I take some ammo for my trouble and they invariably buy the bulk boxes of rem golden.Every now and then I will get a box that works decent with only a few duds but much of it is nearly useless in semi-auto guns.My guess is that the primeing compound is "brittle" and breaks apart with the action of the round being slammed in to the chamber by the semi auto action.This same ammo seems to work decent in bolt guns and revolvers.
Funny thing is that 30+ years back (before bulk ammo) the Rem golden ammo was the standard that most rimfire ammo was judged by. If you had a problem semi auto rimfire" rem golden" was what you tried in it to test it out.
The standard these days is CCI MINI MAGS. Suck up the cost,find out if your gun runs ok (try cleaning your chamber also) ,then if all is well try other ammo types and brands
Friends that I take shooting keep insisting that I take some ammo for my trouble and they invariably buy the bulk boxes of rem golden.Every now and then I will get a box that works decent with only a few duds but much of it is nearly useless in semi-auto guns.My guess is that the primeing compound is "brittle" and breaks apart with the action of the round being slammed in to the chamber by the semi auto action.This same ammo seems to work decent in bolt guns and revolvers.
Funny thing is that 30+ years back (before bulk ammo) the Rem golden ammo was the standard that most rimfire ammo was judged by. If you had a problem semi auto rimfire" rem golden" was what you tried in it to test it out.
The standard these days is CCI MINI MAGS. Suck up the cost,find out if your gun runs ok (try cleaning your chamber also) ,then if all is well try other ammo types and brands
Neo-Luddite
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It's the ammo-current remington .22 if terrible. Oddly, OLD remington and match grade remington is great and should never be turned down if you come into some (estate sale, yard sale,etc.). The match grade is especially nice.
CCI mini-mag is almost flawless from the 10/22. Fire off a couple 100ct boxes--if you have ONE failure out of the factory rotary mag--have the gun checked.
(any CCI will work, but mini-mag is VERY consistant out of the 10/22--they have a bargin 'blazer' tagged line also. Of course, the stingers from CCI are nasty little bullets for the 10/22 also.
CCI mini-mag is almost flawless from the 10/22. Fire off a couple 100ct boxes--if you have ONE failure out of the factory rotary mag--have the gun checked.
(any CCI will work, but mini-mag is VERY consistant out of the 10/22--they have a bargin 'blazer' tagged line also. Of course, the stingers from CCI are nasty little bullets for the 10/22 also.
Neo-Luddite
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oh, hey--NOTHING wrong with buying the bulk remington to blast away with--It is usually cheap. Velocity is not consistant and (as noted) it is not reliable. It won't hurt the gun or anything.
kcmarine
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Ruger 10/22 good. Remington .22 ammo bad.
Mr Weebles
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Hmmm. My 10/22 eats Remington Golden like Rosie at a free buffet.
I get a few FTFs but for the price I can't complain.
I get a few FTFs but for the price I can't complain.
heypete
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I respectfully disagree. I've found the current Remington .22LR Golden Bullets, both boxed and bulk-packed, to be quite good. Maybe not "excellent", but quite good.
I don't have a chronograph, but all the rounds fired were supersonic, with the exception of a few out of my friend's SBR 10/22 (8" barrel), where a few dropped below supersonic (we had a silencer on it, so it was clear when the round was subsonic). Out of about 300 rounds fired, we had three failures to fire due to priming issues. Not bad at all considering the price.
We also had Remington Subsonic (excellent, very consistent, reliable ignition, but dirty) and CCI Subsonic (cleaner, similarly consistent and reliable). CCI Standard Velocity is subsonic, but with a round nose bullet it's not really as fun shooting milk jugs. Still, perfect feeding with the CCI stuff...but you'll pay $2.75/50 rounds compared with about $1/50 rounds for the bulk Remington stuff. Spending nearly 3x the amount of money for slightly more consistent ignition isn't really a big deal to me...if the bulk-pack stuff fails to fire once in a while, I eject and continue shooting. For competitions, shooting suppressed, or other not-quite-plinking activities, I'll pay a bit more for higher quality stuf, but I've found the Remington bulk-pack stuff to be no more or less consistent in igniting than other cheap plinking ammo like CCI Blazer.
Federal American Eagle works pretty well, and I'd hope that the Federal bulk pack stuff would similarly be good, but I admit to not shooting the Fed bulk pack ammo as I have gobs of Remington, CCI, and Fed American Eagle here.
Neo-Luddite
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Hey--when the remington 'milk carton' is on sale I still buy--why not?
wanderinwalker
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swingset and joebogey,
He actually won't get to #2 and #3, because #1 will solve his problem!
In all seriousness, try some CCI Mini-mags. If these don't work and work well, get your gun checked.
I've come to the conclusion that most of the "bulk" .22 stuff is hit or miss reliability wise. My last batch of the Remmy's made me want to trade off my Rugers (10/22, 22/45) immediately. I've had similar experiences with Federal 550-counts as well. Of course, once the weather is consistently over 40-degrees, 95% of my troubles will vanish. Go figure!
One other option, if you can find it, is Federal Automatch .22LR. It comes in a 325-count bulk pack for about $12-13 at Wal-Mart. The stuff is good, consistent ammo. Once I burn up the last of my 3 remaining 550-counts, I think I'm going to switch for good to this stuff. At least during cold weather.
He actually won't get to #2 and #3, because #1 will solve his problem!
In all seriousness, try some CCI Mini-mags. If these don't work and work well, get your gun checked.
I've come to the conclusion that most of the "bulk" .22 stuff is hit or miss reliability wise. My last batch of the Remmy's made me want to trade off my Rugers (10/22, 22/45) immediately. I've had similar experiences with Federal 550-counts as well. Of course, once the weather is consistently over 40-degrees, 95% of my troubles will vanish.
Go figure!One other option, if you can find it, is Federal Automatch .22LR. It comes in a 325-count bulk pack for about $12-13 at Wal-Mart. The stuff is good, consistent ammo. Once I burn up the last of my 3 remaining 550-counts, I think I'm going to switch for good to this stuff. At least during cold weather.
aka108
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I stopped buying or using Remington 22 cal ammo because of too many failures to fire. For inexpensive plinking stuff I use CCI Blazer. Several rifles I have love the stuff. A few others don't. Never had any trouble of the stuff igniting.
Worst brick of 22 ammo I ever tried was Remington Golden Turd failure to feed at least one round in every 10 round 10/22 magazine. I'm NEVER buying ANY REmington rimfire ammo again. Now the CCI Blazer 22LR ammo has been 99.99%, so has the Winchester bricks
+1 for the Federal stuff
I second the cheap Federal stuff. It even looks nicer, the cases are all polished and the bullets look good.
Personally I've never had any "special" problem with the Rem stuff (over any other cheap ammo). If anyone doesn't want their ammo they can send it to me
I second the cheap Federal stuff. It even looks nicer, the cases are all polished and the bullets look good.
Personally I've never had any "special" problem with the Rem stuff (over any other cheap ammo). If anyone doesn't want their ammo they can send it to me
DWARREN123
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Yep, I have had a lot of FTF's with Rem GB in semi's and bolt actions plus in revolver and semi hand gun. Try another brand of ammo, Federal, PMC, Eley or just about anything else. Also there is one company making .22 lr for semi auto's, can't remember the brand right now.
Brassman
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Ditto on the Rem. Golden Bullet. I have several FTF's from every brick, but at the price, I can't complain very much. However, I have never that I can think of, had an FTF with CCI mini mags. Good ammo! and you also have a very good weapon in the 22/45!
Brassman
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Sorry. Wrong Ruger! I meant 10/22.
rangerruck
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remmy bulk is bad, however your problem is the extractor, , go to weaponkraft, or christies, at the top of this page.http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/
then get you a s.s. upgrade kit, for about 20 to 25 bucks, get a s.s. takedown screw, a vq extractor, new spring, buffer, torque wrench, etc. all problems will go away.
then get you a s.s. upgrade kit, for about 20 to 25 bucks, get a s.s. takedown screw, a vq extractor, new spring, buffer, torque wrench, etc. all problems will go away.
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