New Ruger polymer wheely!

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i agree with most of you............. i'll stay with my s&w model 27 thank

Yep, whole lot of comparison between a J-frame(ish) hammerless snubby and a solid-steel N-frame. You must have some really huuuuuuge pockets.


I'm not personally excited by this product, but it's always good to see new things being tried on the market. I was still toddling around on a tricycle in the early 1980s, but I imagine that half the things being said in this thread now were the same things being said about Glocks when they first hit the scene... :p

I look forward to hitting the half-century mark in 2030 and being able to say "Hah, that spiderweb elastomer raygun looks like a piece o' junk next to my vintage Ruger LCP. Back when we were fighting in Iraq we didn't need no fancy plasma generators made out nano-contstuctors, we just launched lead outa M16s made outa plastic and aluminum as the Lord intended. 'Member that M16A4 I showed you at the Iraq War Museum last month?"
 
I'm going to have to see how wide the close radius cylinder is. For me if there's any advantage to this design over a S&W that's where it'll be.
 
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I am going to reserve judgement until shooters actually buy them and shoot them.
 
I love Ruger magnum pistols. But I've never held a plastic pistol of any sort that I really liked. Ruger as a major player in the firearms industry willing to take a chance on some new calibers, and new firearms designs, is treading the waters with consumers. Is this all that bad? I see the LCR as an attempt to revive the dying .38spl, -as the .40 was the answer to the lame duck 9mm, as it was the anwer to most low capacity 45acp's, with a bit of inovation in a lightweight revolver. This is foremost a backup gun, not a primary carry weapon. Although I carry one of my small revolvers probably more often than I carry a full sized semi-auto. Still, I don't think I'll be running out to buy an LCR any time soon as I have a couple Colt Cobra light weights, (and I certainly don't push +P's through them), and an SP101 .357mag, -which doesn't take much to get a great trigger in with just a spring change and a very small amount of polishing. So... of the other lightweights that have been so critically aclaimed to be weight shy of the LCR, do you push +P's through them? Comfortably? I wonder if the polymer grip on the LCR does deliver recoil a little differently? I'd like to shoot one. As for Ruger being 0/2 for new designs... Gee, We've 'never' seen a couple of blunders from manufactures before!? Give'm a chance. I've got an open mind with this one.

-Steve
 
I see the LCR as an attempt to revive the dying .38spl

Is the .38Spl really "dying" though? From what little I can tell, .38 snubbys are a pretty large chunk of the revolver market currently. The revo market isn't what it used to be, but between cowboy guns, lightweight .38 CCW guns, and a small bastion of IDPA revos and retro-style combat revolvers, it's still plugging along.

Whenever I have younger friends (20-somethings) interested in getting a handgun, I always steer them towards revolvers if they enjoy shooting them. Plenty of folks seem to think autos are the only choice, but I feel like a lot of current auto-buyers would be just as happy with a revo, and in many cases get much better deals on the used revolvers out there. A buddy is hoping to buy a "just a basic home defense gun" soon, and after us chatting it over dinner he's pretty close to just getting a used Model 10 for $250 instead of spending $500 on a Glock.

Even with the recent increase in used N-frame prices, the $400 you pay for a Model 28 Highway Patrolman is a dang steal compared to what $400 gets you in a new autopistol.
 
I want one I want one I want one!!!!!

Ok not that bad, but my revolvers are getting a bit Smith & Wesson heavy. I dont think they would have to many recalls on this there are less moving parts to deal with, revolvers are pretty simple.

here's my .02 worth, (even though if you dont like .38's your not going to read this) If the .38 special was good enough for Law Enforcement for over 50 years I think it can still stop a threat today. There is no way you could even estimate how many .38's have been produced over the years, so ammo will always be avaliable and should be easy to find, unlike the .45 GAP or the .327 Federal if these guns dont take off ammo might get harder to find than it is now. As far as snub guns go the .357 hurts when you fire a full charge load in it, yes I know you can load it down, but wouldnt that be like shooting 45 LC in a 460? Hey for the untimate snub nosed gun go for the Ruger Alankan 454 with a 2 1/2 bl. That is happiness, and perhaps a brused hand.

I know I got off subject but I almost always do.
 
Undoubtedly SOMEone will think it's neat, beautiful, useful, long overdue, or otherwise great.
It might even be a very good gun, at that.
I don't want it. Not even for free.
 
Is the .38Spl really "dying" though?

I don't deny that the .38spl is a popular round, but as an active shooter at my club, and most all my friends are gun nuts, I honestly don't remember the last time one of them purchased a revolver chambered in .38spl. I don't discount the .38. It's time proven and I love it. But since the 9mm and certainly the .40 craze, I'm quite sure that .38spl sales are down or certainly don't out number either the 9 or .40 in plastic semi-autos over the last fifteen years or so.

I don't want it. Not even for free.
While I'm not in need of another small revolver, I would not turn one of these down if given to me. Wow... Tough croud here.

-Steve
 
I see the LCR as an attempt to revive the dying .38spl

I hope this isn't taken in the wrong way, but that doesn't make any sense to me. New guns are no longer available in .32 S&W or .38 Short Colt, for example, and that's because the demand died off. Introducing a new gun in one of those calibers would not revive the demand for the guns.

The .38 S&W Special was one of the hottest items on the market from the standpoint of sales until police departments began changing over to semiautomatic pistols for reasons having to due with capacity. With the advent of K-frame .357 Magnum revolvers many service weapons were chambered for the magnum cartridge for occasional use, and even then many departments stayed with .38 Special chambering.

The demand for service revolvers almost evaporated, but the increasingly widespread legality and prevalence of concealed carry has resulted in resurgent high demand for compact and relatively light handguns that are extremely reliable and that can be drawn from concealment and fired in an extremely short amount of time. For many, including me, the choice is for a revolver.

For a snub revolver weighing a pound or less, the .38 Special is ideal. Yeah, I know, a lot of people are infatuated with the .357 chambering, but many people on this and other forums who have participated in combat-type shooting competitions advise against them, and most people who do buy them use Special cartridges. I personally do not think the .357 is a good choice for small light defensive revolvers, due to blast, and penetration and range issues.

Against this background, and considering the way the law of supply and demand works, it would seem clear that Ruger is trying to trying to capture a larger share of the increasing market for small .38 Special guns, and not to try to revive demand.

The introduction of the LCR was obviously intended to satisfy demand for small revolvers, and the LCP, to address the demand for small semiautomatics.

It's a matter of personal choice. I've been a shooter of semiautomatics for over forty five years, but I consider the revolver better for a real CCW defensive application. Also, I'm not that sure of the adequacy of the .380, but I have no doubts about that of the .38 Special.

I chose a J-frame some time ago and I don't need an LCR, but if I were buying my first gun for concealment and the LCR were available, I would compare before selecting.
 
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perhaps it will go modular--different caliber uppers/one receiver. 22 mag, 32 mag & 38 spl.

i'll stay wit j frames for the time being
 
Plastics is the Future

I'll buy one for my collectin as soon as I come across one!!!!
 
Another solution to a non-existant problem.
Actually, no, that's not what it is. It's a possible solution to a very real problem. That problem is that people want lightweight guns for concealed carry (I've never got this entirely myself, I carry an all steel Browning Hi-Power and I don't even notice the weight, but it seems to bother some people). They also want those lightweight guns to fire potent cartridges. At the same time, they don't want those guns to be beasts to shoot. That's the problem, and it's a real one, since less weight in the gun, means more felt recoil in the hand. If a gun kicks hard enough, it will be downright unpleasant to shoot. If it's unpleasant to shoot, it will tend not to be shot very often. This is a very undesirable state of affairs, since one really should shoot one's carry gun often to maintain one's skill with it.

Smith & Wesson's line of aluminum frame and scandium frame j frame snubbies, certainly fulfill the lightweight and concealable requirements. But face it, with +P loads they are not pleasant to shoot, and as I said, this means they get shot very little, or if they are shot, it's with soft recoiling wadcutters or other light loads. People who don't shoot their carry guns enough also tend to hit their targets less often in real gunfights. This also applies if they do shoot them, but with light loads for the range, and carry them with heavier loads. Back in the '70s, it was noticed among some law enforcement officers that they had a problem hitting the bad guys in gun fights that partly stemmed from their carrying .357s on the street, but qualifying with .38 special loads fired out of the same gun. They hadn't adequately trained themselves to cope with the extra blast and recoil, and it impaired their marksmanship when they shot full house .357 loads in actual gunfights.

This same problem exists with these ultralight snubbies and +P .38 loads. Now Ruger is claiming that their new LCP has less felt recoil than the metal framed revolvers of similar size offered by their competitors. The configuration of the grip is supposedly better at transmitting the recoil impulse to the entire hand, rather than just the web of the hand between the thumb and forefinger. And they're also claiming the slight flex in the polymer frame diffuses the recoil in a way that no hard metal frame will do. The result, they say, is a roughly 50% reduction in felt recoil. Now whether or not the gun lives up to these claims I have no idea. But that is the problem Ruger is attempting to address, and I hope they do it successfully. (And frankly, I'd love to see someone eat into S&W's market share.)

Also, there is another unrelated reason why Ruger should have come up with a polymer frame revolver. With CCW being so popular right now, and permits being easier to get than ever before, S&W and Taurus are selling a lot of little snubby revolvers. It's a big part of the market, and Ruger very understandably wants a piece of the action. If Ruger introduced just another steel frame or aluminum framed example of the breed, they'd get some market share, certainly, but it would be limited. They can take a bigger bite of the pie with something newer, more innovative, more high-tech, etc. Curiosity alone will attract some buyers. Technology buffs will like having the most modern design and materials. Ruger can make bigger inroads with this gun than they could with just another metal revolver, perceived as essentially just a copy of something other manufacturers have been turning out for the better part of a century.

Those so willing to sneer at this gun ought to bear some of this in mind. If it doesn't come to show mechanical problems that turn buyers away, I think Ruger's got a winner on their hands. It never ceases to amaze me how many people are so ready, even eager to dismiss something untried, and even unconsidered.
 
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