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Originally Posted by powwowell
Elmer's stance makes a lot more sense to me than DenaliPark's does.

Why be angry with Ruger because they add more value for your money?

Umm, you're exactly what Prescott is looking for in a propspective gun owner, exactly!
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Yeah! That's me. I like safeties. I have nothing against loaded round indicators either. Those are the main reasons I bought a SR9c. And they are the main reasons that I will at least look at this new Ruger, before I start debasing it.

Giving in to the Antis in CA, by not selling in their market, or catering to that market, isn't the best way to further our cause of the freedom of gun ownership, under reasonable laws.
 
Stringfellow said:
This thread went from informative and interesting to insipid and silly. I am pretty suspicious of folks who need to bring "communists" or "California" into an argument. Let alone into a discussion about the quality of a pistol. It isn't quite "High Road"...

Lawyers don't sue people, people sue people. If people didn't do stupid **** and then want to sue someone for it, we wouldn't have all these lawyer features. But you know what--in just about every other situation in life, safety features are good things. With firearms or anything else in life, its inevitable that people will do stupid **** then look for someone else to blame.

If you don't like safeties, don't use them. For me, its a selling point.

For the love all that is good, can anyone contribute any insight of value here?
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Please!!! Where are you living, a cave?
 
What you asked was is there a major gun manufacturer leaving the CA market. The answer is yes. CZ is a large company and made the decision to not longer manufacture pistols in their DW line for the CA market.
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The word out that yes Dan Wesson has discontinued models on the california roster. These models will no longer be manufactured for the rest of the country but DW will make a run of these annually to be sold in california.
As for other companies making new california legal designs I haven't really seen it. Most companies just keep their older models on the roster. Little by little when manufacturers change models they fall off the list. Mark
 
rellascout said:
What you asked was is there a major gun manufacturer leaving the CA market. The answer is yes. CZ is a large company and made the decision to not longer manufacture pistols in their DW line for the CA market.
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Perfectly understandable.

When their total yearly production numbers, doesn't equal what an S&W or Ruger makes during the lunch hour, it wouldn't make sense to spend the couple of grand it takes to be tested for the CA market.

More power to them for their brave political decision.

:rolleyes:

rellascout said:
You clearly do not know about Dan Wesson. They have moved to the level of semi-custom pistols. They do not need the mass volume that Ruger does because they are not on a volume model. They have also brought back revolvers under the DW name. They are growing in a smart growth manner.
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Great!

I'm quite sure they're hoping their profits increase to the point that they can do business in California with Dan Wesson again.

Or they can afford to buy a company ping pong table..............whichever comes first.


rellascout said:
To my knowledge DW sold every pistol they made this year. I personally am not a fan of the direction they are going because I think they have moved to too high a price point but if you actually think they are going out of business you know less about the firearms market than I thought you did.
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No, I'm sure restricting the amount of guns they sell to a drop in the bucket, is just part of a clever business plan, designed to teach the Commies in California a lesson......

rellascout said:
Not every gun manufacturer is like Ruger. Not every company needs to sell a million guns to turn a profit. Ruger has to sell to CA because they cannot afford to leave anything on the table because they are not making enough on each pistol. Mass production of firearms require selling to the masses.
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Yeah. That mass profit thing requires the same.

Bill Ruger and Henry Ford were such morons......


rellascout said:
I hope you and others who like Ruger and the looks of the LC9 get everything they want from it and Ruger.
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Probably not any more than I'll get from the other dozen or so firearms companies that I like......

rellascout said:
I do however think you need to realize that others see this as a miss and we have valid points and are entitled to our opinion.
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I will defend your right to have an opinion till the cows come home.

It's that whole blind, rabid, agenda driven spouting off, that's a little hard to take......
 
railroader said:
The word out that yes Dan Wesson has discontinued models on the california roster. These models will no longer be manufactured for the rest of the country but DW will make a run of these annually to be sold in california.
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Funny. They had 2 models on the California roster, yet according to their website, they just discontinued far more models than that.

http://cz-usa.com/products/by-brand/dan-wesson/

Maybe they're discontinuing guns, because.........oh, I don't know...... nobody is buying them?
 
I wouldn't jump at ANY first year product (major purchase)...and I am a big Ruger fan.
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Unfortunately, that isn't true in the real world where advertisers with their large-expensive, glossy-ads & in the gun rags are betting that pistoleros will jump at a chance for a spankin-brand-new weapon...When is the last time you read a gun review for Ruger that was negative? :scrutiny:
 
Mad Magyar said:
Unfortunately, that isn't true in the real world where advertisers with their large-expensive, glossy-ads & in the gun rags are betting that pistoleros will jump at a chance for a spankin-brand-new weapon...When is the last time you read a gun review for Ruger that was negative? :scrutiny:
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When's the last time you read a review of any gun that was negative?
 
Elmer you beat me to it. The NRA magazine always gives every review good or great marks. What are they going to do, say that the "whateverbrand" model they just reviewed was terrible and had quality issues? There goes the future ad revenue....
 
GlockFan said:
Elmer you beat me to it. The NRA magazine always gives every review good or great marks. What are they going to do, say that the "whateverbrand" model they just reviewed was terrible and had quality issues? There goes the future ad revenue....
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Same with car magazines, etc.

If you read between the lines, some of the better gunwriters will try to and get the word out.
 
America

Colt made a decision to stop production on the Mustang back in the early to mid eighties. That was a financial desicion on their part. Sig picked up where Colt left off with the introduction of the P238; a financial decision on their part. Sig saw money where Colt saw none (timing).......that's the way the market works. If enough buyers decide they can live with all the safeties to make it financially fesible for Ruger to turn their profit margin then they will stay. If not they will go away............................................................. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
 
This is quite interesting. Ruger has brought out as new gun, and somehow, some people appear to think that it's wrong. Nobody has handled the gun yet, or hasn't admitted to doing so, but we have posts loudly proclaiming what it will, or won't, be like. That makes sense?

FYI, Kel-Tecs pistol, the P30, is a better developed Grendel P30, and yes, it's the same inventor. However, it's NOT new, or revolutionary, nor is the new/old shotgun, originally made by someone else, and marketed, albeit unsuccessfully, in the American markets decades ago. Making a rifle version of a pistol is hardly new, or revolutionary, Look at the Judge.

S&W has had it's share of up and downs, too. The Sigma, especially the throw-away .380 line, wasn't exactly trouble-free. Nor was the M&P, or the Rifle line that they brought out. The X-Frame was released with shoot-away barrels. They manufactured the PPK line here, and that was sold and then recalled, as well.

Kimber is renowned for Beta testing their new pistols on the purchasers.

Let's face it, there hasn't been a new gun brought to market in the past 50 years that didn't end up with problems.

Just be glad that a manufacturer is willing to make a new version of a gun. If they were so concerned about the way they resembled others, or that the measurements were close, we would have Colt making 1911A1s, CZ the Model 75, Beretta the Model 92, and S&W their revolvers. Even Glock "borrowed" their trigger safety from other manufacturers from earlier in the century.
 
I never knew there were so many analysts here. I buy a gun based on whether it does what I want. SHOOT BULLETS !!! Hopefully reliably.......... I guess Ruger will always have bashers no matter what it does. Just sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me considering the pistol isn't even released yet. Maybe we need a whiner section.
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I like it, not a Ruger fan, just buy what I like..
with that said, Won't be buying one of these because for target shooting I use the BHP.
For carry it's the LCP.. My wife would be thrilled if I sold the BHP+LCP and just owned a LC9 to cover both needs, but these tiny pistols are lousy beyond 15yds.. The BHP plinks cans at 30yds easy
 
"When's the last time you read a review of any gun that was negative?"

Talking about full-sized guns, most of them. I like looking at the little accuracy chart they include where it says something like "2.6-inch group" or "3.5" group" and then in real small print at the bottom it states "at 15 yards".

I don't see that as a positive.
 
A 17 oz pistol is NOT a range pistol. All of these small 9s have about an 3" barrel and is a used as CCW or backup. Just about everything that falls into to "threat" distance is 7-10 yards. It's a center mass shooter to defend yourself....simple. So espousing accuracy issues with something that is designed for the purpose of small and personal protection to is non sequitor. It's a niche pistol, like the uber small pocket .380s.

Truly - if you want drop dead accuracy at 25 plus yards - then these small 9s are NOT what you are looking for....

As far as the merit of small 9s - I have two and found them to have acceptable accuracy at 15-20 yards. If I can put 26 or 27 out of 28 on an 8" target with my Kahr PM9 - I am good to go...

As far as Ruger making one, the new hot thing in the Pistol world is "lets make as many small pistols in .380, .9mm. and .40 as we can".

It's marketed, as someone else said, to the group that want something better than the Keltec and don't want to pay the price point for the Kahr or even Sig [when it comes out].

They will sell.
 
I like Ruger, but do not like a loaded chamber indicator. Decided that when they introduced on the MKIII. I do not like a mag disconnect, my choice. I do not like all that extra lock crap. Won't buy a S&W revolver with one on it. Thumb safety on a DOA pistol? Seems a bit redundant, but ok, it you feel that is a feature that makes your pistol safer, that is again their decision.

Now these are all my choices. I do not have to justify them, I just choose not to buy products that include them. A company produces a product geared to a certain group of people. Lets hope Ruger has that market defined and ready to buy. I will not be looking...

If I decide to look at a "pocket" 9 mm I will wait for the Sig P290 to prove out, or fall out, whatever the case.
 
weisse52 said:
I like Ruger, but do not like a loaded chamber indicator.
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It can be done right. On the Walther PPS there's a small cutout window where you can visually see if the chamber is loaded, but there are no mechanical pieces to break, and nothing sticks out. You wouldn't even know it's there if you didn't look.
 
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It can be done right. On the Walther PPS there's a small cutout window where you can visually see if the chamber is loaded, but there are no mechanical pieces to break, and nothing sticks out. You wouldn't even know it's there if you didn't look.
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What's funny about that is that is exactly the way Ruger did it on the LCP. A small "window" next to the extractor allows you to view a chambered round. I have no idea why they didn't do the same thing on the LC9.....unless for some reason they couldn't or it's a California thing which would interfere with their marketing strategy.
 
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