New Ruger

[Fastcast]

I can't figure out why so many are opposed to thumb safeties.....People must have opposing thumbs these days or very little confidence in their ability. You don't need to use it you know and in all reality if you can't manipulate a safety under pressure, I doubt you'll shoot well enough to win a fight....IMO

Anyway, it looks like it works the way JMB intended them to....down!

I wouldn't let the safety stop me from buying it, if it interested me!

 

[beeenbag]

If I was an owner of the kel-tec company I would be furious.

With the big suspence building emails and flyers you would think that it was something really cool or really original. Then it comes out and its another kel tec copy.

Your money your call but you are still talking about a company that is intorducing guns and letting the consumer do the R&D testing. I would not buy a first year Ruger product as a result.

no fear... kel tec has already done the research and development for them.


wait a little while longer and S&W will have one with a laser built on it.

 

[rellascout]

I can't figure out why so many are opposed to thumb safeties.....People must have opposing thumbs these days or very little confidence in their ability. You don't need to use it you know and in all reality if you can't manipulate a safety under pressure, I doubt you'll shoot well enough to win a fight....IMO

Those who are not used to shooting guns with safeties I think worry that they will engage it under stress. Which could happen in theory depending on how the safety is designed. Its more dislike of a feature they see no use for more than anything.

I do not dislike the thumb safety on this gun in and of itself. I just think that if you have a DAO pull, which I am going to assume is like the LCP which is about 8 lbs IIRC, there is no need for a thumb safety. The safety between your ears and the 8lbs needed to make the gun go bang are enough.

I am not a big fan of DAO pistols but for pocket guns which are short range present and shoot guns I think they have merit.

 

[2WheelsGood]

Then it comes out and its another kel tec copy.

What does that even mean? Because it shoots bullets? Because it has a trigger? Because it's black? Because it's plastic? I gotta tell ya, Kel-tec wasn't the first for any of those things. How can you tell without even shooting it that it's a Kel-tec copy? If you post a picture of a Kel-tec sitting next to this gun, I promise you I can tell which is which.

 

[Yo Mama]

What does that even mean? Because it shoots bullets? Because it has a trigger? Because it's black? Because it's plastic? I gotta tell ya, Kel-tec wasn't the first for any of those things.

Do you believe that it's ok to take a product, change one thing on it, and market it under another company? Not me.

 

[2WheelsGood]

Do you believe that it's ok to take a product, change one thing on it, and market it under another company? Not me.

So you're against the incredible number of 1911s all by different brands that are FAR more similar to each other than this gun is to a Kel-tec?

 

[beeenbag]

What does that even mean? Because it shoots bullets? Because it has a trigger? Because it's black? Because it's plastic? I gotta tell ya, Kel-tec wasn't the first for any of those things. How can you tell without even shooting it that it's a Kel-tec copy? If you post a picture of a Kel-tec sitting next to this gun, I promise you I can tell which is which.

Please don't mistake me for a ruger basher because I am not. I own ruger products and am very happy with them.

The suspense build up for the "unvailing" of this new "have to have" product was in turn a let down for me because I was hoping for something NEW. Not another gun manufacturer producing a pf-9.

It could be a better pistol, kind of like some people prefer the lcp over the p3at.

Considering the lcp being almost a twin of the p3at, I know I am not the only one who first seen this and thought "pf-9".

IMHO I think it looks more like the p-11 but is a single stack like the pf-9. I think the slide shape and the grip texture looks like the p-11

Look in the closeup on page one of this thread, is it me or does it look like the take down pin is made just like the one on the p-11 where you use a case to get it started out.

 

[Fastcast]

Those who are not used to shooting guns with safeties I think worry that they will engage it under stress. Which could happen in theory depending on how the safety is designed. Its more dislike of a feature they see no use for more than anything.

I do not dislike the thumb safety on this gun in and of itself. I just think that if you have a DOA pull, which I am going to assume is like the LCP which is about 8 lbs IIRC, there is no need for a thumb safety. The safety between your ears and the 8lbs needed to make the gun go bang are enough.

I am not a big fan of DOA pistols but for pocket guns which are short range present and shoot guns I think they have merit.

+1 on your assessment Scout.

 

[ohwell]

I was hoping for something different myself maybe like a 1911 .What I dont get is people complaining its to much like something some other company makes. Buy the one you like best or dont buy any. If Ruger didnt think they could make money selling it they wouldnt. Its almost like someone complaining about Burger King selling hamburgers, my goodness how dare they sell hamburgers McDonalds had that idea first.

 

[potmetal]

I'm glad Ruger is involved in the CCW business. They went a long time with nothing but the P series pistols. Still, I have to say I'm underwhelmed. This is not the innovative new product I was hoping for. I owned the similar Kel Tec model awhile back and got rid of it, it just wasn't a very nice gun to shoot. So this one doesn't have anything that appeals to me either. But I'm sure it will to others, and I hope for the best for them and Ruger.

 

[Hawthorne2k]

What does that even mean? Because it shoots bullets? Because it has a trigger? Because it's black? Because it's plastic? I gotta tell ya, Kel-tec wasn't the first for any of those things. How can you tell without even shooting it that it's a Kel-tec copy?

Well, for starters...

Ruger LC9
Capacity: 7+1
Overall Length: 6.00"
Width: 0.90"
Height: 4.50"
Barrel Length: 3.12"
Weight: 17.10 oz.

Kel-Tec PF-9.
Capacity: 7 +1
Overall Length: 5.85”
Height: 4.3”
Width: 0.88”
Barrel Length: 3.1"
Weight: 18.2 oz.

Now, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that Ruger came up with a 100% original design that just *happened* to come within hundredths of an inch of the Kel-Tec PF-9, much the same way they came up with an original design for the LCP that came within hundredths of an inch of the Kel-Tec P3AT.

And it's also entirely possible that Salma Hayek will walk through my front door tonight and profess her undying love for me.

But I ain't bettin' on it.

 

[Elmer]

Your money your call but you are still talking about a company that is intorducing guns and letting the consumer do the R&D testing. I would not buy a first year Ruger product as a result. I will not buy a first year Sig for the same reason. It seems only prudent to me. If you want to jump in with both feet by all means do but please don't lash out at others who do not share your optimism.

It amazes me how personally people take comments about this manufacturer or that manufacturing. Its a simply tool. Some work some don't. You like brand X I like brand Y. It amazes me when people cannot even take constructive criticism before lashing out. Let me know if I am wrong on the facts. Reread my post:

I read your post just fine.

I don't take your Ruger comments "personally" at all. I just find it odd that you point out Ruger's recent recalls, yet in another thread you recommend Glocks for their "superior reliability".

I'm guessing you haven't heard about any issues with Glocks recently?

Granted, when a company doesn't usually announce any actual recalls, some may take that to mean they haven't had issues.

Ruger has had a couple of burps. Nothing more than most companies. But they seem to get a lot more attention for their actually stepping up to the plate and fixing them, then others do for ignoring issues.

 

[rellascout]

I don't take your Ruger comments "personally" at all. I just find it odd that you point out Ruger's recent recalls, yet in another thread you recommend Glocks for their "superior reliability".

Please show me where I recommended a Glock. I assume if I did I did it within the context of the OP's criteria. I do like the 19 as an all around gun if it fits your hand. I consider it a top 5 wonder 9mm. Not really a Glock fan but I do think that their 9mm guns are pretty reliable. There have been issues with the Gen 4 guns. IIRC is it recoil spring related.

Again please let me know if I am wrong on the facts about Ruger. Have 2 of their last 3 semi-auto pistols been recalled due to a defect or not.

PS for someone not taking it personally you seem a bit worked up over this. Did I or did I not give credit to Ruger for correcting their mistake? :banghead:

 

[Elmer]

Well, for starters...

Ruger LC9
Capacity: 7+1
Overall Length: 6.00"
Width: 0.90"
Height: 4.50"
Barrel Length: 3.12"
Weight: 17.10 oz.

Kel-Tec PF-9.
Capacity: 7 +1
Overall Length: 5.85”
Height: 4.3”
Width: 0.88”
Barrel Length: 3.1"
Weight: 18.2 oz.

Now, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that Ruger came up with a 100% original design that just *happened* to come within hundredths of an inch of the Kel-Tec PF-9, much the same way they came up with an original design for the LCP that came within hundredths of an inch of the Kel-Tec P3AT.

And it's also entirely possible that Salma Hayek will walk through my front door tonight and profess her undying love for me.

But I ain't bettin' on it.

Have you taken the time to do a comparison of the various service pistol specs?

I'm guessing you might find some similarities between brands in weights and size within the same percentages.

How much variance would you think their might be, between two manufacturers trying to make a firearm for a particular cartridge as small as possible?

 

[DasFriek]

Did anyone get recall notices yet?
I hope i get mine done before it arrives, But im sure it will be a few months after everyone gets one at close to MSRP prices due to high people creating demand.

Now my jokes are done
Its too bad i just spent 2x the street price this one will be on my Kahr MK9, But the LC9 is more of a competitor to the CW9 which when its all said and done i see a $50 difference in the two guns. And if Ruger didn't do its homework i can see the CW9 sales improving.
I do think its a better gun than the LCP is But as Ruger always does over engineered this one and its a size larger than need be as they could have done a Kahr PM sized gun and stole the market.
Good luck to them anyway.

 

[Elmer]

PS for someone not taking it personally you seem a bit worked up over this. Did I or did I not give credit to Ruger for correcting their mistake? :banghead:

No need to bang your head, I'm not "worked up" at all. I was just struck by your concern over Ruger's recent recalls, yet a simple search of your posts seems to reveal great admiration for Glock, and yes, recommendations of them, with no mention of their various "product improvements".

 

[DAdams]

I'm Sure

there is a market. Usually there is a niche to fill and where is the white space?

Rohrbaugh R9
VaporWare 9, the name escapes me.
Kahr PM 9
White Space $$$$$
Walther PPS 9/40
KelTec PF9
Sccy

I have that base covered.



PM9093 (3.0" Barrel)
Black polymer frame, matte stainless slide
MSRP: $786.00

Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.0", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.3"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
Magazines: 1 each: 6 rd flush floorplate & 7 rd extended grip

Here are the PPS, PM9 and PF9. Sandwich the Ruger in there. It will be less costly than the Rohrbaugh, the PM9 and PPS and more costly than the PF9 but the quality will be slighty higher. KelTec is again the target market.

 

[9mmforMe]

The New Ruger looks nicer than the KT and is about as appealing as the Kahr IMO. I hope it is a great success, its always nice to see a good American company succeed. On the other hand I was hoping for something a little more off the wall...as has been stated a 1911 from Ruger would have been very interesting indeed.

 

[ohwell]

scout wants you to believe its not a personal attack on Ruger owners Elmer but its his sly way of doing just that without getting edited. He posts in just about every Ruger thread in here yet he despises them. Hawthorne buy a few 1911's made by different manufacturers let us know if any of them are similar. If Ruger can take a design similar to someone else's and make it better I'm all for that.

 

[rellascout]

No need to bang your head, I'm not "worked up" at all. I was just struck by your concern over Ruger's recent recalls, yet a simple search of your posts seems to reveal great admiration for Glock, and yes, recommendations of them, with no mention of their various "product improvements".

I would take a Glock over a Ruger but that is not really the gist of this thread. Again please correct me on the facts. Did Ruger issue a recall on 2 of the last 3 new pistol designs they released to market.

Trying to introduce Glock into the discussion is a red herring. This thread is not about Glock. It is about Ruger's new pistol and their recent missteps with new products.

 

[Rugerlvr]

My wife told me to get one. She never tells me that about any gun.

I will be getting one.

In all seriousness, I had a Kahr CW40 and the curve at the back of the grip where it meets the web of your hand just "bit" my hand wrong. It's quite an acute angle. This new LC9 looks like it wouldn't bite so bad. There are enough differences between this and other mini-9s that I'm sure it will find a market. I'm not so much of a Ruger loyalist that I can't see there are other similar pistols on the market, but I think this will still sell very very well.

 

[rellascout]

scout wants you to believe its not a personal attack on Ruger owners Elmer but its his sly way of doing just that without getting edited. He posts in just about every Ruger thread in here yet he despises them. Hawthorne buy a few 1911's made by different manufacturers let us know if any of them are similar. If Ruger can take a design similar to someone else's and make it better I'm all for that.

So funny. I have nothing against Ruger. I have owned several GP100, P44, P95, SP101 and more Ruger 22s then I care to admit. They are all well built guns but in the end did nothing for me that other guns I preferred more so they were sold. I personally find them a bit blocky due to the fact Ruger often overbuilds. The only one that remains is a Ruger MKII 22LR which I still enjoy. The reality is you know little about my like or dislike of Rugers. What I have stated several times in the last 24 hours is that they have stumbled when bringing new product to market recently and I will ask again if I am wrong on the facts please correct me.

 

[Nushif]

I love how people want something new ... like a 1911.
Am I the only one seeing the irony here?
"Let's open up a new market! A fresh one, not bound ny tradition, something that's taking off in market share... Let's make a 1911!"

No wonder the term progress in its actual meaning is a foreign word.

 

[Sistema1927]

Looks OK. I hope that Ruger sells a ton of them, just like I hope that Kahr sells a bunch of pocket pistols, and Kel-Tec sells a bunch of pocket pistols, and (list any gunmaker here) sells a bunch of pocket pistols.

I have a Kahr PM9 as well as a Kel-Tec P32 and a Glock 26, so I am probably not in the market for this new one from Ruger, but who knows?

 

[DAdams]

Will it require a 200 round break-in?